12-24-2014, 05:19 PM | #1 |
Time for a cam
Ok I have read everything about each cam and has chosen these cams as options
1. TSP 231/236 LSA 112 2. LG g6x3 3. Lethal night fury The main thing with this thread is I want to know longevity wise. No track, daily driver, with spirited driving in between. I will be installing the cam along with heavy duty timing chain, a new high flow oil pump, trunion, duel valvespring, titanium retainers, and harden push rods to ensure everything will last and won't break as easily Mostly want power and heard these cams will get me close to 480whp now the opinions on these cams |
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12-24-2014, 05:22 PM | #2 |
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Im just going to say this, I love the way NightFury cam sounds. That is all and good luck in your search
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12-24-2014, 05:58 PM | #3 |
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Get one ground on a cam motion core. The new night fury cams are ground on them. If you ever plan on adding nitrous or blower/turbo go with the big split cams over the 231/236 cam. Also another good option is the tick polluter cam. It's 233/248 duration so it's in between night fury and the g6x3 cam. Amother thing to keep in mind is you need a great tuner to take out most of the driveability problems with the bigger cams.
And "best" parts are Btr .660 dual springs c5r timing chain ls2 dog bone damper melling hv oil pump and most often they are the stock length 7.4 length pushrods as Long as your top end is untouched and the cam is still on the same base circle. Hope this helps
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12-24-2014, 07:31 PM | #4 |
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TSP I have the one better than that (the top of the food chain) with its recommended .675 springs etc.. and it made good power with my electric power steering and dual mode I came in at 491/448 with long tubes and CAI with a good tune on a mustang dyno. gs6x....like cutting the PTV clearance to nothing? ask TSP about it.... Nightfury... reason you do not read the specs for it posted online here..... Not as much a performer as the previous two so may be more friendly to other things like FI as its results are all over the map from 450-480 depending on what? most likely friendly dyno tunes on happy dynojets, and varied specs for the cam which is just a name and most people only post the LSA? like WTF I considered it for about five seconds after repeatedly searching post after post.
I have about 6 thousand miles on my cam, no problems what so ever, did a break in with driven racing br30 and use ls30 oil, and used stock timing chain until down the road and stock pump which is always above 30 psi which can be changed later down the road as they are a single roller timing chain, and in most cases a perfectly good pump made by .... guess who? melling.... I did go with the fluidampr balancer for limiting the harmful vibrations to the chain and the ls gurus recommended 7.375 pushrods as he promised if he measured it and it took otherwise he would swap them out... Oh and I have zero valve train noise. Anyway its your call, your idle will go up to 900 and the cams like taking off at 1500 rpms to not surge or fall flat...... I guess due to the fact the first ls7 engines had trunion problems the first year is why so many change them when my builder say the stock are fine, I may change them after my 25k spring check if anything looks bad especially then. My cam is the TSP 235/239 the longer duration for the exhaust stroke is the fact the height of the lift is lessor... I did 112 lsa and the lift .639/ .623 its a proprietary grind done by TSP. Tsp also does matched package of cam, pushrods, and springs and recommends spending $50 more when going this lift to get .675 springs, I custom ordered the 7.375 height by just talking to them, and got the three bolt gear and bolts and balancer bolt and gaskets etc through them. Good luck. Many would trash the comp cams that are everywhere because so many have had failures and many did them their selves, and almost always they did not do a break in, and that's something that would eat other cams in your face from my old hotrodding experience...oh and driven racings experience too as joe gibbs racing lost 1 in 10 cams before breaking in roller lifter racing engines cams.... then went to 1 in 40 by using the break in oil they developed..and if its good enough for Nascar........... and yes that's a 400% decrease in cam failure. I used to do all my own flat tappet cams, I would not risk that with the costs involved just in parts here and went with the best tuner mechanic guru I could find in my area even though its in another state... And I did not have all the tools, let alone the experience I have had with SBC engines .....
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12-25-2014, 02:56 AM | #5 |
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You always come to a post and push driven oil and there is nothing wrong with stock pumps with the exception of the relief valves sticking and that's only on the ls3s and not the high pressure L99 pumps.
And secondly the comp cam issues are not break in related, roller cams do not require break in as many people have argued with you before. The issues with the cams are poor cores and oversized lobes. I personally got a cam that wouldn't fit into my motor from comp cams. Tell me how that is break in related? And I wouldn't waste money on break in oil. It's for a new motor only, as it helps with ring seal and initial fire up. After that its pointless as you have assembly lube on the cam. Ps... feel free to break your replies into paragraphs, they're much easier to read!
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12-25-2014, 03:34 AM | #6 |
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Ever consider KAOTIC CAM by vengeance racing ..great drivablity with 22.5 mpg hwy and great power too, it's a
235/243 621/621- 113 lsa..my car had only 300 miles on it when I did it..I made 471 rwhp 424tq on mustang dyno that tends to read 6-7% lower than dyno jet...anyway the car has 1100 miles now and is getting faster every time I drive it |
12-25-2014, 07:03 AM | #7 |
The parts I am putting in with the cam is the Melling high volume oil pump, c5r heavy duty timing chain, LS2 dampner, ARP 3 bolt for the cam the other items will depend on the cam I choose
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12-25-2014, 08:25 AM | #8 |
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Just remember, some of the fastest 6.0-6.2 cars have cams with less than 227* intake duration. One of the top 5 fastest cam only cars has less than 220*
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drives very well with the 3.91 gears. click the picture of it on the dyno. It put down 480 RWHP Last edited by Tampa Tuning; 12-25-2014 at 10:44 AM. |
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12-25-2014, 09:39 AM | #11 |
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Buddy of mine has the Kaotic
2010 Camaro SS kaotic cam: http://youtu.be/OH4RTu3AZ88
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12-25-2014, 09:58 AM | #12 |
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im leaning toward the kaotic cam also but aren't they ground on the comp cores. i really like the sound of the kaotic cam but the issues i have read about is the only thing keeping me from the purchase of a cam. after the new year i am wanting to see if things change.
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12-25-2014, 12:40 PM | #13 |
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Night fury cam el paso: http://youtu.be/ts6RUwE-pFc
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Specs are, .619/.596, 233/248 on a 113 lsa These cars weigh so much that's why the smaller cams do really well too.
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