'10 SS VS '10 GT500

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

0-60 is 3.9 and 1/4 mile is 12.0@118 for the CTS-V. A bit better than the GT500.

The handling aspect I'm unsure of. The CTS-V has some pretty crazy suspension stuff:

Agree that the nod still goes to the V in both categories. The 12.o time may be an outlier, most seem to be 2-3 10's higher than that.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Agree that the nod still goes to the V in both categories. The 12.o time may be an outlier, most seem to be 2-3 10's higher than that.

Ive heard of guys going into the high 11's with the CTS-V... I think you will see more and more "outliers" as people get better at launching their car.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Ive heard of guys going into the high 11's with the CTS-V... I think you will see more and more "outliers" as people get better at launching their car.

Stock, I assume?

[ironpeddler]

LS3 vette is not greater than a GT500 IMHO. A z06, ok..a ZR1, yes but a regular base vette I dunno about that.

[Mod4SS]

Originally Posted by Houston94vert

I said I apologize. I didn't know there was more than one type of HPE550 package. I thought the fully built car on ebay was the only way the car came...My bad.

We appreciate your apology I'm still waiting for Mark's...

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

LS3 vette is not greater than a GT500 IMHO. A z06, ok..a ZR1, yes but a regular base vette I dunno about that.

Oops didn't see that in there. I think the GT500 outperforms it by a slight margin as I understand.

[pharmd]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

LS3 vette is not greater than a GT500 IMHO. A z06, ok..a ZR1, yes but a regular base vette I dunno about that.

Stock low-mid 12's @ 117-118, up top is where you'd get rolled their 0-130mph is 16.7 GT500 vs 15.0 for LS3 vette (per Car and Driver), it gets worse the faster you go, weight and aerodynamics are no friend to the GT500, and 0-70 braking 182ft GT500, 152ft Vette, lateral G .89G GT500, .99G Vette, fuel economy 14/22 GT500, 16/26...base corvette FTW...

[454lsxss]

Originally Posted by Houston94vert

I think you need to back the train up.

The price of the HPE package I was talking about, is the one that is comparable to the GT500. Which I thought that's what ya'll were talking about. As the one I mentioned has many upgrades to the camaro and price at 63k. Y'all are talking about a performance package of a supercharger, exhaust and badges. So yes...completely different in pricing and performance. The reason I thought ya'll were talking about the 63k HPE camaro is because it's the only one I would actually think about comparing. As it has many upgrades that kind of make different from your regular camaro. Y'all seem to think this simple supercharger/exhaust, badging of a camaro puts it in the same status of a Gt500. This is why I brought the gt mustang into the discussion. To explain how much different a GT500 is from the other mustang offered in the line up. How it's not a mustang gt upgraded, as it's a completely different car offered by ford.

I believe I apologized for the confusion on the HPE packages and pricing.

This is like saying a Race Craft Mustang GT is comparable to a Camaro SS because they have the same hp and price. To me, it's not because the mustang has been upgraded by a tuner and is not factory built. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...ice=&cardist=0

well, in my very humble opinion, meaning i drive neither cars as of now but have driven both and have a basic idea of what they are packing, including a new gt...the camaro ss is a well put together car...to the point where if they did come with the godsent z28 then it would really only be a hood, new facia, maybe stiched seats...i mean what more would they really need to do, i'm pretty sure an ss suspension is already quite comparable to the 'ford racing badass suspension' in the 10' gt500...saying all that, i think personally...the camaro ss doesn't NEED all those other upgrades to be the same caliber of car as the gt500...just the power
i mean...you spend 50+ k on it and still have an ugly ass antenna to look at out your mirror



btw don't even get me started on those tail lights...eghhh how can you even justify 50k for them...but on being faster than a 13k cheaper car

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Ive heard of guys going into the high 11's with the CTS-V... I think you will see more and more "outliers" as people get better at launching their car.

I expect both the V and 2010 GT500 to be in high 11's with good drivers and good track\weather conditions.

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Oops didn't see that in there. I think the GT500 outperforms the base C6 by a slight margin as I understand.

Probably so......

[DropTheGloves]

Originally Posted by pharmd

It is what it is Adam. Over time maybe someone will figure a way to make the car more efficient, but that is why BMW's M5 comes with over 500 hp stock...heavy cars need power to move and this car is heavy. Better ET's will come from lowered 60' times, but then your stressing the drivetrain...ask those Cobra guys how many tranny's and rearends they broke trying to go that fast. Most gave up and put SRA back in them, hence the new GT500 comes SRA. GM departed from its 1/4 mile roots with this car, in an attempt to create a car that someone who was shopping for a 335i coupe or M3, or G35, or 370Z etc would want to buy. Yes its slow(er) than a 4th gen with the same power, but its also more refined, quiet, better built (less rattles), and looks killer. Things, before that were found no where near a "camaro". So although, there are short comings with this car, as an owner, I'm focused on what I have to work with and creating the best rendition of that I can.

I traded my 335i in for this camaro...the 335i handled better, and since it was a sedan, had more room. I really like the car, it would have been perfect with an LS3 in it. But I had it to the dealer like every month, and when we took a trip we were never really certain whether we'd make it back or have to come home on a rollback, plus warranty was about to be up and parts are $$ and has to be worked on by a BMW authorized service shop, so we traded. They certainly can be made pretty quick no doubt.

To the guy about the GT500, the reason you don't have to put wheels, tires, body moldings, and whatever else he said the "tuner" car package didn't include, but ford includes in the GT500 vs the regular mustang...Those parts are already top shelf parts...what would they upgrade to? The main difference between the GT500 and SS is engine (or lack of a blower to be specific). There are a few ancillary things that could be upgraded on the SS like clutch, bigger sway bars etc, but basically, if you wanted a "decent" comparison the main difference is the engine. Upgrade to a forged motor with a blower and these cars would be virtually identical performance competitors. Wheels? SS already has 20's...brakes SS already has brembo's...GM was determined to use IRS anyway, so no rearend upgrade needed, good to 600rwhp per GM, body...already draws attention where ever you go, why would you mess with perfection? etc etc.

Understand there is no winning an argument like this...the one with the most dollars wins.

I would totally agree that GM will have to really get its game together next year with the 400hp pony, because unless the pony is obese like the camaro, the SS will certainly have its hands full...Glad mines not stock.

Actually I know about 99% of them never had those problems. The most complaints I ever heard about was the IRS. Some liked it, some didn't. The Cobra was one of the most solid cars ever built stock.

[Red Hot SS]

Originally Posted by 454lsxss

I'ma be real. I hate mustangs. I hate 'em a lot.

But that new GT500 looks ****ing AWESOME...

[ironpeddler]

Originally Posted by Red Hot SS

I'ma be real. I hate mustangs. I hate 'em a lot.

But that new GT500 looks ****ing AWESOME...

[Analogy]

Originally Posted by Red Hot SS

I'ma be real. I hate mustangs. I hate 'em a lot.

But that new GT500 looks ****ing AWESOME...

I like garagelogic's a lot

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by pharmd

Stock low-mid 12's @ 117-118, up top is where you'd get rolled their 0-130mph is 16.7 GT500 vs 15.0 for LS3 vette (per Car and Driver), it gets worse the faster you go, weight and aerodynamics are no friend to the GT500, and 0-70 braking 182ft GT500, 152ft Vette, lateral G .89G GT500, .99G Vette, fuel economy 14/22 GT500, 16/26...base corvette FTW...

LS3 > GT500

Better speed, better handling. Plus with the weight adv. and the LS3, the GT500 is not going to win the Mod War like it would with so many other cars. The LS3 needs what, 550-600hp to hang with a 600-700hp GT500?