V6 Modifications, is it worth it?

[Pathogen]

Originally Posted by vong

Nowhere near worth it. Why pay $2000+ (full exhaust, cai and tune) for about 30rwhp when with an LS1 you can get easily get over 100rwhp for just over $3,500.

You don't understand how logic works, do you?

1. We are talking about modding his V6.
2. What 5G Camaro has an LS1?

Keep the ignorant V6 vs V8 banter out of the thread.

[vong]

Originally Posted by Pathogen

You don't understand how logic works, do you?

1. We are talking about modding his V6.
2. What 5G Camaro has an LS1?

Keep the ignorant V6 vs V8 banter out of the thread.

I understand logic just fine. It's you guys that don't.
You guys are pouring money into your V6's to make it somewhat more powerful. Whereas with a V8, you spend a bit more and get huge gains.

I'm aware that this is the V6 section and I've answered his question on whether it's worth it. I used the LS1 as an example. An LS3 costs more but also gains more.

I myself have a mildly modified LFX (regret modifying it now) and I'm ditching it for a V8. If he want's a reliable 400hp and a transmission/driveline that won't blow, best option is to trade up to an SS. Logic.

[Pathogen]

Let's see....
I paid 20K brand new for my 2014 LFX. I add a supercharger for 6k=26k. Same HP roughly as an SS. Better gas mileage.

Show me a new SS for 26k.

[Pathogen]

Originally Posted by vong

I'm aware that this is the V6 section and I've answered his question on whether it's worth it.

Good point. He did ask for opinions.

[vong]

Originally Posted by Pathogen

Let's see....
I paid 20K brand new for my 2014 LFX. I add a supercharger for 6k=26k. Same HP roughly as an SS. Better gas mileage.

Show me a new SS for 26k.

Never said anything about a new SS, getting a modded second hand one would be even better. If something breaks when going forced induction (something will be bound to) then you're just throwing more money into the pit.

Supercharger will give you power but will it be reliable and will the drive-train be able to handle it? How's the resale value going to be when you go to sell it? What's the insurance going to cost? These are the things you need to think about when thinking about modifying.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by vong

Nowhere near worth it. Why pay $2000+ (full exhaust, cai and tune) for about 30rwhp when with an LS1 you can get easily get over 100rwhp for just over $3,500.

Originally Posted by vong

I understand logic just fine. It's you guys that don't.
You guys are pouring money into your V6's to make it somewhat more powerful. Whereas with a V8, you spend a bit more and get huge gains.

I'm aware that this is the V6 section and I've answered his question on whether it's worth it. I used the LS1 as an example. An LS3 costs more but also gains more.

I myself have a mildly modified LFX (regret modifying it now) and I'm ditching it for a V8. If he want's a reliable 400hp and a transmission/driveline that won't blow, best option is to trade up to an SS. Logic.

I'm not sure you really do follow the logic.

You implied in your first post that 30 rwhp for $2000 is too expensive. On an automatic (which the OP has) that would equate to 37.5 HP at a cost of $53.33/HP. The difference between a 1LT with an auto and a 1SS with an auto is $7,500 for a gain of 77 HP at a cost of $97.50/HP. More importantly, put that $7,500 into a IPF supercharger and you gain 112 HP and have some money left over ($6,500/112HP = $58.04/HP). The rest of the drivetrain has not issue handling that power level.

So, if you are willing to go FI you can get more power cheaper by upgrading the V6.

[vong]

I'm not hating or nothing as I know you guys love your cars and everything but as soon as you drive an SS, you'll quickly be changing it.

[Pathogen]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I'm not sure you really do follow the logic.

You implied in your first post that 30 rwhp for $2000 is too expensive. On an automatic (which the OP has) that would equate to 37.5 HP at a cost of $53.33/HP. The difference between a 1LT with an auto and a 1SS with an auto is $7,500 for a gain of 77 HP at a cost of $97.50/HP. More importantly, put that $7,500 into a IPF supercharger and you gain 112 HP and have some money left over ($6,500/112HP = $58.04/HP). The rest of the drivetrain has not issue handling that power level.

So, if you are willing to go FI you can get more power cheaper by upgrading the V6.

That was my point, too. However, my written thoughts often come across wayyyyyyyyy harsher than they sound in my head. Apologies, Vong. Wasn't trying to sound that aggressive.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by vong

I'm not hating or nothing as I know you guys love your cars and everything but as soon as you drive an SS, you'll quickly be changing it.

I've driven many. I really don't plan to change to a V8 until I get the C7 Z06 or the next anniversary edition Camaro comes out. Even then, I'll mod that and give up the warranty, things will break and I'll fix them.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

Agreed.

My number were assuming without a tune....

Until most peeps hit their 36K I think they may want to keep the factory warranty.

Drive train warranty is 100K not 36K.

[vong]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I'm not sure you really do follow the logic.

You implied in your first post that 30 rwhp for $2000 is too expensive. On an automatic (which the OP has) that would equate to 37.5 HP at a cost of $53.33/HP. The difference between a 1LT with an auto and a 1SS with an auto is $7,500 for a gain of 77 HP at a cost of $97.50/HP. More importantly, put that $7,500 into a IPF supercharger and you gain 112 HP and have some money left over ($6,500/112HP = $58.04/HP). The rest of the drivetrain has not issue handling that power level.

So, if you are willing to go FI you can get more power cheaper by upgrading the V6.

A manual is $2000 cheaper and loses less hp through the drivetrain. I think the standard V8 will also have more potential than a supercharged V6.
I'm not trying to stir sh*t guys, just stating my opinion.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by vong

A manual is $2000 cheaper and loses less hp through the drivetrain. I think the standard V8 will also have more potential than a supercharged V6.
I'm not trying to stir sh*t guys, just stating my opinion.

I could compare a 1LS to a 1SS m6 and it would look even worse for the V8. I am trying to compare what he has to the closest SS. Supercharge the SS and you lose the warranty and you add another $10K. For $17.5 K you can have a V6 that is more powerful than 95% of the 5th Gens on the road.

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[vong]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I could compare a 1LS to a 1SS m6 and it would look even worse for the V8. I am trying to compare what he has to the closest SS. Supercharge the SS and you lose the warranty and you add another $10K. For $17.5 K you can have a V6 that is more powerful than 95% of the 5th Gens on the road.

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Okay, well I'm from Australia and things are a bit different here which I should've taken into account. Our V8 models only cost ~$5 grand more than the sports V6 model, most people jump straight into a V8 the second they receive their full license and there's jack all performance support besides MACE Engineering.

I do see your point in terms of hp/$ but we both know the V8's have much more potential and aftermarket support and that's the reason I'd take one over modding a V6.

Sorry for derailing your thread OP.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by vong

Okay, well I'm from Australia and things are a bit different here which I should've taken into account. Our V8 models only cost ~$5 grand more than the sports V6 model, most people jump straight into a V8 the second they receive their full license and there's jack all performance support besides MACE Engineering.

I do see your point in terms of hp/$ but we both know the V8's have much more potential and aftermarket support and that's the reason I'd take one over modding a V6.

Sorry for derailing your thread OP.

Agreed on the better after-market support, but the OP is looking to have 400 HP, not 1000. If he wants to do that and stay NA then he isn't going to make it with the V6 right now. If he wants to consider FI, then that's a pretty modest gain from several options out there right now without having to be too concerned about durability and reliability.