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its a syn · 05-25-2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/170...-ss-production

Last Chevrolet SS produced.

This will be the unicorn These would be cool. I also sent people to the Caprice back in 2012. The super sleeper. 6.0, oh yeah.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 05-26-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/170...-ss-production

Last Chevrolet SS produced.

Sad. I hope it comes back in some way shape or form. If I had the bread right now to pick one up I would. Would make a great daily driver.

KMPrenger · 05-26-2017, 10:04 AM

So what do we make of this? Big deal...or just "fake news".

GM accused of using cheat devices similar to VW in 2011 through 2016 Diesel Silverados and Sierras:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN18L25Y

Bhobbs · 05-26-2017, 10:10 AM

If it's true, I hope they get severely punished.

SS 1LE · 05-26-2017, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

If it's true, I hope they get severely punished.

They claim they did no wrong and plan to fight it to the end...

Bhobbs · 05-26-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SS 1LE

They claim they did no wrong and plan to fight it to the end...

That's why I said if it's true.

FenwickHockey65 · 05-26-2017, 12:13 PM

I've read opinions from a few people saying the lawsuit is baseless...sounds like the firm that's filing it is into filing frivolous suits just to see if they can make one stick.

KMPrenger · 05-26-2017, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

I've read opinions from a few people saying the lawsuit is baseless...sounds like the firm that's filing it is into filing frivolous suits just to see if they can make one stick.

Maybe so...

But come on now. First VW, then FCA getting hit with the same (or very similar) accusations, and now GM?

Am I the only one that thinks its a bit unbelievable that all of these major automakers would all cheat at this?

The report says that they all use some sort of cheat device to beat the testing. Except that, these devices can be legal under "certain circumstances". OK...so what is that?

Also, I found it interesting that the report indicated that Bosch was the company behind the programming/electronics for all three above cases...VW, FCA, and GM. So is Bosch also involved, or responsible for the "cheating"?

FenwickHockey65 · 05-26-2017, 02:49 PM

Bosch provided VW with the initial software that recognized an emissions test was taking place, with a written warning that its use in saleable units was illegal.

I could be wrong, but I believe the use of emissions software is legal as long as it's disclosed to the EPA and the software doesn't actively attempt to recognize an emissions test is happening.

Iron Lung Jimmy · 05-26-2017, 05:27 PM

OK, somebody teach me about diesels...

Faking emissions... bad... I get that.

What I don't get is why does Colorado have to specifically ban "rolling coal" (another thread on this page)?

Wouldn't making your truck smoke like a mother****er pretty much mean it is violating every EPA regulation on the books and already be obviously illegal?

What am I missing?

Bhobbs · 05-27-2017, 12:38 AM

They are banning it because people roll coal next to people walking on the sidewalk or open car windows.

Iron Lung Jimmy · 05-27-2017, 10:29 AM

But isn't altering your emissions equipment... which I am assuming is the only way to make a truck do that... already against federal law?

FenwickHockey65 · 05-27-2017, 10:52 AM

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But isn't altering your emissions equipment... which I am assuming is the only way to make a truck do that... already against federal law?

Could be wrong, but I think the manufacturer has to sell you a car which complies with emissions regulations. What you do with your car afterwards is your business, unless you live in a state with inspections.

E. Bryant · 05-27-2017, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Could be wrong, but I think the manufacturer has to sell you a car which complies with emissions regulations. What you do with your car afterwards is your business, unless you live in a state with inspections.

No, it is illegal under federal law for an end user to modify the emissions controls. It's just highly unlikely that the EPA would come after a vehicle owner or even the shop that performed the work. They have certainly cracked down on certain manufacturers of tuning equipment and software, however (H&S Performance is an excellent example).

05-26-2017, 10:04 AM	#4245
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	So what do we make of this? Big deal...or just "fake news". GM accused of using cheat devices similar to VW in 2011 through 2016 Diesel Silverados and Sierras: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN18L25Y __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

05-26-2017, 10:10 AM	#4246
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	If it's true, I hope they get severely punished. __________________

05-26-2017, 12:13 PM	#4249
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	I've read opinions from a few people saying the lawsuit is baseless...sounds like the firm that's filing it is into filing frivolous suits just to see if they can make one stick. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

05-26-2017, 02:49 PM	#4251
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	Bosch provided VW with the initial software that recognized an emissions test was taking place, with a written warning that its use in saleable units was illegal. I could be wrong, but I believe the use of emissions software is legal as long as it's disclosed to the EPA and the software doesn't actively attempt to recognize an emissions test is happening. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

05-27-2017, 12:38 AM	#4253
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	They are banning it because people roll coal next to people walking on the sidewalk or open car windows. __________________

05-26-2017, 05:27 PM	#4252
Iron Lung Jimmy Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,447	OK, somebody teach me about diesels... Faking emissions... bad... I get that. What I don't get is why does Colorado have to specifically ban "rolling coal" (another thread on this page)? Wouldn't making your truck smoke like a mother****er pretty much mean it is violating every EPA regulation on the books and already be obviously illegal? What am I missing?

05-27-2017, 10:29 AM	#4254
Iron Lung Jimmy Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,447	But isn't altering your emissions equipment... which I am assuming is the only way to make a truck do that... already against federal law?