04-18-2013, 11:54 PM | #127 |
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okay. just watch. I'll be happy when gm finally post the times. BTW, why are they delaying the release of the times at the ring?!?! Because it was slower?
Look at the best times at the ring on wikipedia. Look at the cars before and after the ZL1. The ZL1 doesn't belong there, it is too heavy, the heaviest by a few hundred lbs. The reason the Zl1 did so well, is the Gen 3 mag ride suspension. all those $100k to $300k cars have Excellent suspension, just like the camaro Z28, but the Z28 is much heavier and weaker with only 2wd. Sooo, no mag ride, means slower ring time. Well, maybe it might be the same as it's big brother ZL1. But, again, give the ZL those tires and watch the Z28 lose. I can't wait for the magazine comparisons...
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The Z/28 wouldn't lose against a 300lb difference on the track even if the ZL-1 had 305s. It was built to be dominant and tires alone will not make up the 3 seconds on the track tested at. 3 seconds is a loooooong time when you're talking track time.
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04-19-2013, 07:09 AM | #129 | |
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As for as losing items and adding items to make this car. GM wanted this to be a competitive track car. The brakes HAD to be installed on something that weighs this much in order to compete and perhaps beat some of those super cars. If GM built a 5th gen and stripped it to bare bones with the minimum they could get away with and added an LS7 and charged $45k with an upgraded suspension, they could call it the 2014 camaro fairy and I'd still buy it. I don't road race or track at ALL. Though its nice the car handles roads awesome. Here in Louisiana, the roads would trash the car. I just want GM to build an low 11 second camaro WITH an LS7 naturally aspirated at $45-50k. I bet MANY would be sold. It's a VERY unfortunate thing they can't add options for us such as engine, suspension and deletes.
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04-19-2013, 10:23 AM | #130 | |
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....As this Z/28 is touted as "3 seconds faster" at "one" track, I say it's "Game on!"....I hope the ZL1 gets some wins...Nothing but love for S/C muscle, and all the development that went into that car... Depending on a lot of things unknown about the Z/28, if anyone is on the fence about which one to buy, I think it's way too early to "write-off" the ZL1 as old news... |
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04-19-2013, 10:44 AM | #131 | |
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Just like the current 5th gen is being run in pro series like the Grand Am I fully expect to see Z/28's running in pro series too. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of a rebirth of the Trans Am or something simliar by the auto manufacturers. A new series with Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers, etc. would get a lot of visibility and do exactly what it did back then; sell cars. People wanted the street versions of the cars they saw in the races on the tracks. Nascar has completely ruined itself for that kind of inspiration. A true manufacturers series would be great. Great for the fans, great for the sport, great for the marketing departments of the manufacturers, great for the dealerships selling the street versions.
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04-19-2013, 11:10 AM | #135 |
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I assume you guys are referring to a standard Z06. Correct? As I'm sure you know, the Z07 equipped Z06 comes with excellent tires too....Michelin Pilot Sport Cups. It also has the CC brakes,along with all the Aero pieces of the ZR1. With equal drivers it will be a good race for the standard car,but no match for a Z06/Z07.
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04-19-2013, 11:28 AM | #136 | |
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Final evidence of mag ride importance at the ring, look at gm z06 times without mag ride and with mag ride. Same car same engine. Mag ride and better tires and brakes. Huge time diff. Look at zr1 times with or without the special race tires, only a 3 sec diff in lap time. I believe mag ride will keep the ZL1 king at the ring. Oh, as far the the tires alone making a difference, it will make a huge diff! Ask any stock zl1 owner, we always, always have traction issues. Given stickier tires, the ZL1 could put its power down sooner and we wouldn't have to moderate throttle in second and third. I have driven a 2012ss , they chirp here and there but you guys have no idea how much more potential a Zl has in just tires.
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04-19-2013, 11:33 AM | #137 | |
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First, I say no contest on Z06 vs Z28. Second, just wanna point out, Z07 z06 had mag ride, ei. Super car killer suspension.
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04-19-2013, 11:58 AM | #138 | |
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They're basically profiting off the names. I'm not discounting what they've done with the 2, but a thorough investigation shows they're off on building the 2. The ZL-1 should've competed with the GT500 at the strip. Period. Instead they go around it with beating it on a track. So we have 2 track camaros and no camaro that competes on the strip? Makes no sense. GM you're listening? Build a stripped street legal drag strip racer with an LS7!
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04-19-2013, 12:43 PM | #139 | |
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I think the big thing with adding a cam/tune to make 500hp - warranty. People don't want to piss away a warranty just to have 500hp they want them both. Now hearing how much the Z/28 may go for - you could buy the LSX 454 long block and put it in a 1LE and have a faster (straight line) car |
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04-19-2013, 12:54 PM | #140 | |
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Growing up and even in my early 20s the Z28 was nothing more than a V8 camaro. |
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