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LOWDOWN · 10-28-2011, 02:50 PM

2cnd, don't get too hung up on, or put too-too much em-PHA-sis on the wrong sy-LAB-le, in all this rhetoric. The lead-in for the 1LE states, and I quote, “The Camaro 1LE concept is all about the track,” said Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro. “It’s an all-out race car package that pays tribute to that special option from the past.”

What they have on display is NOT the SSX, which is the closest they've got to "all-out race car package" (MR-excluded) that you'll NEVER buy off a Chevy showroom floor.

Is there a case for the 1LE? Likely.

Is it, fully, a "Z/28"? Not quite, in MY mind...

...but it's pretty damned close...just a little more "boil" in the boiler room, pleaZe!

Those 3 magic alpha-numerics, in my sig, would do jus' fine!

Blitz · 10-30-2011, 03:43 PM

Just get a 1LE, slap some Z/28 badges on it and call it day.

wildpaws · 10-30-2011, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitz

Just get a 1LE, slap some Z/28 badges on it and call it day.

Epic Fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clyde

2cnd chance · 10-30-2011, 07:32 PM

If they don't build a 5th Gen Z28 and do build a 1LE I may buy one and add an LS7 and badge it a Z28 myself!!!

*Mr. Wyndham* · 11-04-2011, 07:55 PM

I hope I don't strike any nerves....

But I'm sincerely wondering why some of us are restricting all Camaro history to the first generation cars when discussing the "should's and shouldn'ts of a Z28?

It is 2011, guys...Why couldn't the Z28 represent a modern take on its lineage through the 1LE package as-is....

*donning flame suit*

2cnd chance · 11-04-2011, 08:05 PM

The 5th Gen is a reinterpretation of the 1st, hence the comparisons. Also the 2cnd Gen was the beginning of the theory that stickers make it faster.

Mainly why settle GM obviously doesn't.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 11-04-2011, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The 5th Gen is a reinterpretation of the 1st.

Only in design...and even there it borrowed from all generations...that's why I've always been confused why some (not necessarily anyone here) Camaro enthusiasts believe the first gens were the only "real Camaros" Seems mistaken to pigeon-hole the 5th gen like that, to me...

*DGthe3* · 11-04-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I hope I don't strike any nerves....

But I'm sincerely wondering why some of us are restricting all Camaro history to the first generation cars when discussing the "should's and shouldn'ts of a Z28?

It is 2011, guys...Why couldn't the Z28 represent a modern take on its lineage through the 1LE package as-is....

*donning flame suit*

If the 1LE were renamed the Z28, or if we found out that they'll be offering it as an option package on the SS I think I'd be satisfied. But I'd be ecstatic if they came out with a Z28 with a good conventional suspension, a few ZL1 bits like brakes & tires, and an engine making power between the SS and the ZL1.

wildpaws · 11-04-2011, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I hope I don't strike any nerves....

But I'm sincerely wondering why some of us are restricting all Camaro history to the first generation cars when discussing the "should's and shouldn'ts of a Z28?

It is 2011, guys...Why couldn't the Z28 represent a modern take on its lineage through the 1LE package as-is....

*donning flame suit*

I just don't think the 1LE "as is" is quite a complete enough package to be this generations representative for a Z/28. The 1LE is a nice package but I think it needs more engine to be exactly right. And that's based on my honest feelings, not on other generations of the Camaro.
Clyde

*Mr. Wyndham* · 11-04-2011, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

If the 1LE were renamed the Z28, or if we found out that they'll be offering it as an option package on the SS I think I'd be satisfied. But I'd be ecstatic if they came out with a Z28 with a good conventional suspension, a few ZL1 bits like brakes & tires, and an engine making power between the SS and the ZL1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildpaws

I just don't think the 1LE "as is" is quite a complete enough package to be this generations representative for a Z/28. The 1LE is a nice package but I think it needs more engine to be exactly right. And that's based on my honest feelings, not on other generations of the Camaro.
Clyde

These were the kinds of answers I was hoping to get. I read a lot of "The original Z/28 was this...." or "The intent of the first Z/28 was this...." And I'm thinking....that's all well and good, but...what about the other 20+ years of Z28? And what does today's buyer want versus the late 60s?

I think sometimes we get lost in the past when working with these nostalgic names. Thank heavens the people who pulled the Camaro together in 2006 were who they are...What a wonderful job they did making a car for 2010 that remembers where it came from.

Fightinfire921 · 11-04-2011, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

If the 1LE were renamed the Z28, or if we found out that they'll be offering it as an option package on the SS I think I'd be satisfied. But I'd be ecstatic if they came out with a Z28 with a good conventional suspension, a few ZL1 bits like brakes & tires, and an engine making power between the SS and the ZL1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildpaws

I just don't think the 1LE "as is" is quite a complete enough package to be this generations representative for a Z/28. The 1LE is a nice package but I think it needs more engine to be exactly right. And that's based on my honest feelings, not on other generations of the Camaro.
Clyde

I have a first gen. and would love to have an early second gen.

A friend at the fire department has a 1985 IROC he's wanting to sell. If I had the room and didn't love my wife I would buy the IROC.

A fifth gen. Z/28 is just to easy of a built for G.M. and hopefully we'll have one soon.

2cnd chance · 11-04-2011, 11:00 PM

I believe it's been covered many times in these threads.

Simply put I'm looking for a 1LE with more power. 475 plus would be fine.

LOWDOWN · 11-05-2011, 10:27 AM

I have been a "banner carrier" for a "proper" (MY definition!) ZEE since forever...and my personal reasoning for a "conventional suspension" (or, as I called it, "enhanced FE4") was the co$t$ saved could then be used to upgrade the LS3 to "heavy artillery" status: LS7. So...

1) I see "room at the inn" for BOTH an SS-1LE AND a Z/28...just like you have two price points for the so-called BOSS...which suddenly must be quivering just a lil bit at the possibility of going back to an hourly rate!

2) MRC vs. Enhanced FE4: I'd say the jury has spoken...and the Team is certainly the final jury. Last year we had the SSX to think about and react to; this year we have the 1LE to munch on. 1LE is certainly more likely, and more quickly, to be Oshawa-buildable...and more saleable and in greater volumes...than the back-seatless SSX.

However, there IS, from a purist and budgetary point of view, something quite compelling (at least for me) about the SSX's "racy" suspension... From a GMPP point of view, more folks would be likely to consider the cost and job of upgrading to an SSX-type suspension system, than would consider the complexity and probable co$t of an MRC refit...

2cnd chance · 11-05-2011, 07:15 PM

Lowdown I as well still hope that an LS7 ends up in a Z28.

10-30-2011, 03:43 PM	#30
Blitz Drives: 2012 CTS-V Sedan Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 739	Just get a 1LE, slap some Z/28 badges on it and call it day. __________________

11-04-2011, 07:55 PM	#33
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	I hope I don't strike any nerves.... But I'm sincerely wondering why some of us are restricting all Camaro history to the first generation cars when discussing the "should's and shouldn'ts of a Z28? It is 2011, guys...Why couldn't the Z28 represent a modern take on its lineage through the 1LE package as-is.... donning flame suit __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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10-28-2011, 02:50 PM	#29
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	2cnd, don't get too hung up on, or put too-too much em-PHA-sis on the wrong sy-LAB-le, in all this rhetoric. The lead-in for the 1LE states, and I quote, “The Camaro 1LE concept is all about the track,” said Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro. “It’s an all-out race car package that pays tribute to that special option from the past.” What they have on display is NOT the SSX, which is the closest they've got to "all-out race car package" (MR-excluded) that you'll NEVER buy off a Chevy showroom floor. Is there a case for the 1LE? Likely. Is it, fully, a "Z/28"? Not quite, in MY mind... ...but it's pretty damned close...just a little more "boil" in the boiler room, pleaZe! Those 3 magic alpha-numerics, in my sig, would do jus' fine!

10-30-2011, 07:32 PM	#32
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	If they don't build a 5th Gen Z28 and do build a 1LE I may buy one and add an LS7 and badge it a Z28 myself!!!

11-04-2011, 08:05 PM	#34
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	The 5th Gen is a reinterpretation of the 1st, hence the comparisons. Also the 2cnd Gen was the beginning of the theory that stickers make it faster. Mainly why settle GM obviously doesn't.

11-04-2011, 11:00 PM	#40
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	I believe it's been covered many times in these threads. Simply put I'm looking for a 1LE with more power. 475 plus would be fine.

11-05-2011, 10:27 AM	#41
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	I have been a "banner carrier" for a "proper" (MY definition!) ZEE since forever...and my personal reasoning for a "conventional suspension" (or, as I called it, "enhanced FE4") was the co$t$ saved could then be used to upgrade the LS3 to "heavy artillery" status: LS7. So... 1) I see "room at the inn" for BOTH an SS-1LE AND a Z/28...just like you have two price points for the so-called BOSS...which suddenly must be quivering just a lil bit at the possibility of going back to an hourly rate! 2) MRC vs. Enhanced FE4: I'd say the jury has spoken...and the Team is certainly the final jury. Last year we had the SSX to think about and react to; this year we have the 1LE to munch on. 1LE is certainly more likely, and more quickly, to be Oshawa-buildable...and more saleable and in greater volumes...than the back-seatless SSX. However, there IS, from a purist and budgetary point of view, something quite compelling (at least for me) about the SSX's "racy" suspension... From a GMPP point of view, more folks would be likely to consider the cost and job of upgrading to an SSX-type suspension system, than would consider the complexity and probable co$t of an MRC refit...

11-05-2011, 07:15 PM	#42
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	Lowdown I as well still hope that an LS7 ends up in a Z28.