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Nutbutt · 02-02-2014, 03:20 PM

Took my time this morning and installed my Mighty Mouse catch can and RX separator. Made up a bracket for up front mounting and room to reach under to easily drain the can.

Mounted the catch can on the passenger side by the ECU and even modified the engine cover to allow the RX separator and Mighty Mouse catch can to fit underneath. Not sure if I'm keeping this ?
I have a hookup that brings in fresh air through the separator and comes out diagonally to the back left valve cover. Then over to the Mighty Mouse PCV catch can. I have two vacuum sources, one normally to the top of the induction manifold. And a second from before the SC for WOT.
So far it looks pretty clean and no whistling ! Went for a drive and idle was good and an improvement in the idle dive at stops. Would have taken more pics but phone needs to be charged.

Sikoriko · 02-03-2014, 08:21 AM

That looks good. but I want to see what the filter on the CC will look like with some miles on it. Oil soaked or just dirty. By the way Is there a inline check valve to keep moisture from coming back into the can on a warm/hot engine while it's shut down?

Nutbutt · 02-03-2014, 09:35 AM

I am interested in this too. It will give a good indication of how much positive pressure is building in the system. And how the vacuum is working across the range of use.
And yes there is a PCV and check valves to hopefully prevent the moisture soak back that most people are seeing in the colder weather.
Since I do use the car as and almost DD, I should have some quick status. Although snow is predicted again today and Wednesday so I don't think I'll have many miles this week.

MagnumForceGB · 02-03-2014, 01:02 PM

Looks good, should be able to tell how effective it is in a few months. Don't think there is really a wrong way to do the pcv as long as both valves are vented/vacuumed. Think the big problem with the IPF setup was the intake manifold vacuum port being deleted.

Black Knight · 02-03-2014, 08:01 PM

Ordered this can as well . What did u bolt to your fabricated bracket ?

Nutbutt · 02-03-2014, 08:20 PM

It is bolted to the engine cover mounting stud/ grounding post. I wanted it below the valve cover height any oil or condensation would flow to the can. I am going to get the machine shop at work to see if I can tie the bracket to two locations to get a little more rigidity.
I wish this weather would break so I could get it down there.

MagnumForceGB · 02-04-2014, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MIGHTYM0USE

*edit hey great job on the install! I would like to see how that bracket mounts a little better.

the breather on the pcv cans are one way (exit only) no moisture will get in, and there is baffling and filtering inside the can so it is highly unlikely that a drop of oil will ever make it to the filter during blow-by.

We are used to another breather that went on the oil cap and would get soaked in oil from venting.

I had some water in my elite can when I first installed it, maybe a table spoon. I think it might have been from water that the old can allowed in the crankcase, oil got warm enough to turn it into vapor and got sucked out.

Hopefully we can get more data that these PCV setups work and IPF can update their system.

KMPrenger · 02-04-2014, 04:31 PM

Not to thread jack but...

All this talk about PCV has me wondering if there isn't a slightly better solution for my N/A car? I know its not as big of a deal versus a forced induction car, but wondering if I could be doing something better.

On my LLT I'm running the Vararam intake and catch can. Pretty standard setup for the catch can on the passenger side. PCV runs to can, then can to the top of the intake.

As for the clean side, the Vararam setup doesn't have it going back into the intake. Rather, the clean line just goes to a very simple chrome capped breather with no type of check valve (the vararam unit is hiding the breather in the pic below). Its a cheapo you can get from autozone. I've had to replace it once already b/c the foam inside the breather became soaked with oil.

After some of the bad luck we've seen with the RX one way check valve oil cap, I'm a bit reluctant to run one of those.

Ventmaster · 02-04-2014, 06:23 PM

My gosh KP! CAN'T YOU KEEP THAT CAR A LITTLE CLEANER?!

Show a little pride- it's a Camaro ya know!

KMPrenger · 02-04-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ventmaster

My gosh KP! CAN'T YOU KEEP THAT CAR A LITTLE CLEANER?!

Show a little pride- it's a Camaro ya know!

Yeah...your right. I think there's some dust in there.

I'll do better next time!

sycraft · 02-04-2014, 09:38 PM

If the clean side does not go into the intake, where is the metered air? maybe the 1LE separator would work as well. I am getting one and may or may not use it. Depends, my current setup is working great, just looking for options..

KMPrenger · 02-05-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MIGHTYM0USE

something wrong with vacuum side of your system if oil blowing out that filter on the INLET side. you either need a better flowing can or something is clogging the vacuum going to it.

It happens slowly over time. It doesn't soak quickly.

Can I'm running is an older Mike Norris can I believe. It catches oil, and my intake seems to remain fairly clean. How well it flows I don't know.

But actually if you ask the members here (even N/A) it seems to be fairly common that some oil will come from the clean side and make its wait into the intake tube (on setups where the clean side dumps back into the intake).

I'm just wondering if there isn't a better solution I SHOULD be running.

Anyways...I've jacked this thread enough as it is.

MagnumForceGB · 02-05-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

It happens slowly over time. It doesn't soak quickly.

Can I'm running is an older Mike Norris can I believe. It catches oil, and my intake seems to remain fairly clean. How well it flows I don't know.

But actually if you ask the members here (even N/A) it seems to be fairly common that some oil will come from the clean side and make its wait into the intake tube (on setups where the clean side dumps back into the intake).

I'm just wondering if there isn't a better solution I SHOULD be running.

Anyways...I've jacked this thread enough as it is.

Best solution to your PCV problem is a supercharger kit.

Sikoriko · 02-05-2014, 06:02 PM

Or you could run a vacuum gauge, tee off before the manifold.

02-02-2014, 03:20 PM	#1
Nutbutt Drives: 2011 RJT 2LT/RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 3,381 View My Garage	Install of New PCV hardware Took my time this morning and installed my Mighty Mouse catch can and RX separator. Made up a bracket for up front mounting and room to reach under to easily drain the can. Mounted the catch can on the passenger side by the ECU and even modified the engine cover to allow the RX separator and Mighty Mouse catch can to fit underneath. Not sure if I'm keeping this ? I have a hookup that brings in fresh air through the separator and comes out diagonally to the back left valve cover. Then over to the Mighty Mouse PCV catch can. I have two vacuum sources, one normally to the top of the induction manifold. And a second from before the SC for WOT. So far it looks pretty clean and no whistling ! Went for a drive and idle was good and an improvement in the idle dive at stops. Would have taken more pics but phone needs to be charged. __________________ 1st IPF Supercharged 2011 2LT/RS RJT Convertible

02-03-2014, 09:35 AM	#3
Nutbutt Drives: 2011 RJT 2LT/RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 3,381 View My Garage	I am interested in this too. It will give a good indication of how much positive pressure is building in the system. And how the vacuum is working across the range of use. And yes there is a PCV and check valves to hopefully prevent the moisture soak back that most people are seeing in the colder weather. Since I do use the car as and almost DD, I should have some quick status. Although snow is predicted again today and Wednesday so I don't think I'll have many miles this week. __________________ 1st IPF Supercharged 2011 2LT/RS RJT Convertible

02-03-2014, 01:02 PM	#4
MagnumForceGB Drives: Fastest 2010 Camaro V6 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newcastle, OK Posts: 3,571 View My Garage	Looks good, should be able to tell how effective it is in a few months. Don't think there is really a wrong way to do the pcv as long as both valves are vented/vacuumed. Think the big problem with the IPF setup was the intake manifold vacuum port being deleted. __________________ Camaro V6 = 11.268 @ 120.11

02-03-2014, 08:01 PM	#5
Black Knight Drives: Supercharged LLT Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 1,437	Ordered this can as well . What did u bolt to your fabricated bracket ? __________________ CLICK IMG FOR BUIlD THREAD

02-03-2014, 08:20 PM	#6
Nutbutt Drives: 2011 RJT 2LT/RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 3,381 View My Garage	It is bolted to the engine cover mounting stud/ grounding post. I wanted it below the valve cover height any oil or condensation would flow to the can. I am going to get the machine shop at work to see if I can tie the bracket to two locations to get a little more rigidity. I wish this weather would break so I could get it down there. __________________ 1st IPF Supercharged 2011 2LT/RS RJT Convertible

02-03-2014, 08:21 AM	#2
Sikoriko Drives: 2011 V6 IOM Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,385 View My Garage	That looks good. but I want to see what the filter on the CC will look like with some miles on it. Oil soaked or just dirty. By the way Is there a inline check valve to keep moisture from coming back into the can on a warm/hot engine while it's shut down?

02-04-2014, 04:31 PM	#8
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	Not to thread jack but... All this talk about PCV has me wondering if there isn't a slightly better solution for my N/A car? I know its not as big of a deal versus a forced induction car, but wondering if I could be doing something better. On my LLT I'm running the Vararam intake and catch can. Pretty standard setup for the catch can on the passenger side. PCV runs to can, then can to the top of the intake. As for the clean side, the Vararam setup doesn't have it going back into the intake. Rather, the clean line just goes to a very simple chrome capped breather with no type of check valve (the vararam unit is hiding the breather in the pic below). Its a cheapo you can get from autozone. I've had to replace it once already b/c the foam inside the breather became soaked with oil. After some of the bad luck we've seen with the RX one way check valve oil cap, I'm a bit reluctant to run one of those. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

02-04-2014, 06:23 PM	#9
Ventmaster Drives: 2017 1SS 6spd Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 2,869	My gosh KP! CAN'T YOU KEEP THAT CAR A LITTLE CLEANER?! Show a little pride- it's a Camaro ya know!

02-04-2014, 09:38 PM	#11
sycraft COTW 5/06/2013 Drives: 2017 Corvette Grand Sport-Ho-Vette Join Date: May 2012 Location: Milford, Michigan Posts: 3,201 View My Garage	If the clean side does not go into the intake, where is the metered air? maybe the 1LE separator would work as well. I am getting one and may or may not use it. Depends, my current setup is working great, just looking for options.. __________________ 2017 Grand Sport, Borla X Pipe.....Enough Said

02-05-2014, 06:02 PM	#14
Sikoriko Drives: 2011 V6 IOM Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,385 View My Garage	Or you could run a vacuum gauge, tee off before the manifold.