08-03-2013, 05:00 PM | #99 |
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I talked to a few people who have been following this issue for a couple of years. Basically their theory is that it was a valve train alignment issue that cause the valve to rock in the valve guide. Some tuners where beginning to collect mounting evidence on this. But they were slammed on the internet by conspiracy theorists and dropped the issue.
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08-03-2013, 05:09 PM | #100 |
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So what is the most recently made car to have this issue 20**?
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08-06-2013, 07:28 AM | #101 | |
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look. you dont get it. i wanted a 427 camaro. i dont care what it is called. this handling thing being the focus for a MUSCLECAR is all new. sure the 3rd and 4th gen handled world class for their time, but the focus for prospective owners was never taking it to a road course few would EVER see. give it a cadillac ride and smoothness, backed with 427 cubic inches. ford is hadly making any response to the z28. they dont care. never have.
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08-06-2013, 09:14 AM | #102 | |
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And yes Ford is making a response to the Z/28; so is Dodge. Sorry but those aren't going to be for you either.
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Don't forget that drag racing started at the grassroots level and was fairly well organized before the mfrs got involved. Road course running and autocrossing is no different (just that serious mfr interest there has been delayed by a few decades because those are less visible activities). Quote:
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08-06-2013, 10:13 AM | #104 | |
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You are definitely in the wrong part of the forum. The first year of Camaro introduced the Z/28 a road course car not a muscle car. Ford introduced their Boss after that and then Dodge the Challenger. All were factory backed road course cars. Doing my best Obi Wan "this is not the 427 you're looking for". You want the LSX.
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08-06-2013, 10:51 AM | #105 | |
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Good Guys shows giving up on drag races, replaced with autocrosses. Cars that corner and stop as well as they accelerate. A "movement" that started with OEM rear anti-sway bars and disc brakes in the mid-60s. Ford's announced departure (end '14) from heavily $upported Funny Car program. Apparently, "the force" isn't with them. And, last but not least, a limited number of LS7s to work with. So, let's build a "COPO-like", high-capability, low volume (therefore NOT "mainstream-priced") ultimate capability cornering Camaro. We were tipped off, two years ago, right here on camaro5. We just didn't know it, at the time. |
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08-06-2013, 06:55 PM | #106 | |
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1) The Z/28 was built to run in Trans Am ROAD racing 2) The Camaro was a pony car, not a muscle car. Now that it weighs 2 tons, it doesn't fit the pony car class. 3) Buy an SS and drop in a 427. I get it, you clearly don't. This is the Z/28 forum. If you don't like the Z/28, why post here? |
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08-06-2013, 09:28 PM | #107 |
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...shits gonna' break....despite of the best intentions, care, ignorance, or ability......ooooops, clean up in aisle seven...... The envelope can only be pushed so far, then the beefing up process must begin. It's a factory deal, the Challenger was a factory deal, needed modification, and was operated beyond it's parameters. So sad for us all.
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08-07-2013, 03:03 PM | #108 | ||
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look i was there. i remember... and I know numbers matching Z28's. i know exactly what they are meant for. i also know the name was used and a 350 was put in them later. (why, i have no idea). this is a fauxe Z28. you wanna talk historical. ok, let's... z28 should be LIGHT, have a 5 liter engine with 400hp. no frills, no nav, no 427, no irs, none of this stuff the fauxe Z28 is gonna hve. chevrolet built a 427 hammer to bludgeon a 5 liter BOSS. just, there is no boss anymore. call it a 427 camaro, and call it quits.the new car is NOT a Z28....in the original iteration. you bring up the original intent, not me. the 69 427 camaros were epic. Quote:
so, if i have a different opinion that is not lock step , you have a problem? ive been on C5 long enough to remember all of the fanboishness when the SS was introduced. i have a right to display disappointment in being left out. i wanted a DAG-blamed 427 factory camaro i can never get. yes im on the right forum to post an opinion about the 2014 Z28. all of my posts are relevant just not ones you personally like.
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I'm totally new here and new to camaros but I believe the original z/28 was made just so they could run Trans Am? Trans Am is all road course period. I think the "intent" of the name holds true if it will indeed punish anything that shows up but a actual race series would help...I do not rule that out...lets wait and see.
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08-07-2013, 06:40 PM | #110 | |
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1. Original 1Gen Z/28's were NO lighter than other Camaros. 2. Original 1Gen Z/28's had engines sized for racing in the Trans Am series (as rules changed in the series engine size changed) the fact is the Z/28 required a higher-revving engine for road-racing just like the SB 427. 3. Original 1Gen Z/28's could be ordered with EVERY option, but AC and an automatic. 4. Original 1Gen Z/28's had superior (for its day) suspensions modified from a regular Camaro. Today's Z/28 has a superior suspension based on a regular Camaro. 5. Chevy already beat both Boss's with the 1LE - they didn't build the Z/28 to do it. 6. Yes the 1969 427 Camaro's were awesome, however the 2014 is on a much much higher level. BTW, Did you know in 1969 there was a ZL1-Z/28? In closing the 2014 Z/28 is every bit a Z/28 in its original intent. A road-racing Camaro built with superior performance and handling capabilities.
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And no convertible. "BTW, Did you know in 1969 there was a ZL1-Z/28?" I've never seen nor heard of this one, I'd like more info on it. I agree completely with everything else you said! |
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