Went to the DRAGS tonight! What should I do??!!! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

JMAC2011 · 10-09-2010, 12:18 AM

So, tonight October, 8th 2010, just as I said... went to the drags tonight - ATLANTA DRAGWAY! Modifications: My car now has a full 1 7/8" ARH exhaust system, headers to exhaust tips. I also put in a Comp camshaft: 227/239 .614/.624 113lsa+4, and a K&N panel filter in the stock / factory airbox. By the way, lots of guys came by and asked me what my exhaust was... they all seemed to like the ARH sound goin' down the quarter.....(great job ARH! Thank you!!).... and on with the questions. Car ran an awesome Best MPH at Atlanta Dragway - 115.5mph. My best ET was 12.961@114.85mph and 2.25second 60 foot time. So...... here is the problem. Launch at 2500 rpm,Wheel spin like hell.... followed by feather out of the throttle....followed by noisy, scarry, disgusting amount of wheelhop! WTF 2 major launch problems must get under control! I won't change wheels, but I will consider sticky street tires (Nittos?)... but until I get wheelhop under control I won't put sticky tires on it - still runnin' factory Pirellis - parts will just be more likely to break with stickier tires and ridiculous amounts of wheelhop. I reduced radial tire pressure (Pirellis) to 30 psi-cold prior to 1st pass and did not change it again. I JUST looked at Pfadt solid rear bushings online - they sure are proud of them$$$!! What would you do? Car is making 456rwhp and 417rwtq. I had rev limiter set at 7000rpm and ran through the traps at about 6750 in 3rd gear. Atlanta Drags AND Road Atlanta TRACK DAY coming up in November 2011. If the car is properly setup what should it run in the quarter? I'm considering PFADT setup, sticky tires, and 4.10's. Oh yeah... by the way... TONIGHT... stock tires on 2011 Mustang GT with ONLY 4.10's and catback exhaust... 12.66 at 112mph. I watched HER run HER Mustang while my car was cooling down.

Apex Motorsports · 10-09-2010, 05:12 AM

For maximum performance you will need an entire suspension package but you are on the right track with the Pfadt solid sub frame bushings. They are not cheap because they are not cheap. Get your hands on a set and you will see what I mean. Once you get the rear sub frame in check take a look at the rear trailing arms. They will allow the suspension to respond more quickly and keep the tires in contact with the road surface increasing traction. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.

flyby · 10-09-2010, 07:08 AM

I had similar problems with my car. Wheel hop and spinning was terrible. I got a complete pedders xa drag pack installed. The package included replacement bushings for all of the stock bushings and a complete set of coil over. After the install the car just planted and took off, no wheel hop and the spinning was handled by relearning how to launch without spinning (about 2000 rpm).

GFORCE1320 · 10-09-2010, 07:11 AM

Some of our axles that have our proven anti wheel hop technology incorporated will help get rid of that wheel hop.

Thanks
Chris

Supercharged SS · 10-09-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Apex Chase

For maximum performance you will need an entire suspension package but you are on the right track with the Pfadt solid sub frame bushings. They are not cheap because they are not cheap. Get your hands on a set and you will see what I mean. Once you get the rear sub frame in check take a look at the rear trailing arms. They will allow the suspension to respond more quickly and keep the tires in contact with the road surface increasing traction. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.

Apex, why did you choose to go with offering these as opposed to the others that you offer on your site? Was this picture easier to upload? The better ones all seem to be in the same price range give or take a few $$$. I'm just asking becasue I want to get these as well but don't know which brand to go with or who has a better bushing etc. I know as a reatiler you prob can't choose sides or you'll look bad. Just wondering. I'll be talking with you soon!

SC2150 · 10-09-2010, 08:17 AM

You need sticky tires....and if you get ANY wheel hop lift. Wheel hop will break stuff quicker than anything. I would also take the above advice on control arms & axles. I run 10.80's @126-7 w/a 1.40 60'. You need to get the power to the ground.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 10-09-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Apex, why did you choose to go with offering these as opposed to the others that you offer on your site? Was this picture easier to upload?

WTF?

JMAC2011 · 10-09-2010, 09:20 AM

I appreciate all of the advice so far. This is the kind of stuff I was looking for. SC2150 I think the wheelhop is more violent (for the car) than anything else... so it makes sense that wheelhop will destroy stuff. I'm going to wait on sticky tires until I get the wheelhop under control.

JMAC2011 · 10-09-2010, 09:31 AM

What can you guys tell me FROM EXPERIENCE about the solid subframe bushings from PFADT vs. urethane bushings like installation time, noise, vibration, driveability, actual ability to do what you expect from them etc... I'll probably do as much of the installation work myself when I decide on parts. Is it realistic to expect a 1.7 60ft times with suspension and tire upgrades at this current power level 456rwhp, 417rwtq?

Apex Motorsports · 10-09-2010, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Apex, why did you choose to go with offering these as opposed to the others that you offer on your site? Was this picture easier to upload? The better ones all seem to be in the same price range give or take a few $$$. I'm just asking becasue I want to get these as well but don't know which brand to go with or who has a better bushing etc. I know as a reatiler you prob can't choose sides or you'll look bad. Just wondering. I'll be talking with you soon!

LOL. I recommended the Pfadt rear trailing arms because the OP already seemed to be interested in Pfadt parts and they make some of the best engineered suspension components available for the 5th generation Camaro. I look forward to hearing from you.

Apex Motorsports · 10-09-2010, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMAC2011

What can you guys tell me FROM EXPERIENCE about the solid subframe bushings from PFADT vs. urethane bushings like installation time, noise, vibration, driveability, actual ability to do what you expect from them etc... I'll probably do as much of the installation work myself when I decide on parts. Is it realistic to expect a 1.7 60ft times with suspension and tire upgrades at this current power level 456rwhp, 417rwtq?

Pfadt parts are engineered to provide maximum performance without sacrificing drivability. You definitely feel more with the solid bushings but it is not harsh or even uncomfortable. It simply feels more connected.

2010 SSRS · 10-09-2010, 12:51 PM

do not expect good times with street tires, it is a waist of time going to the track without slicks.

SC2150 · 10-09-2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

LOL. I recommended the Pfadt rear trailing arms because the OP already seemed to be interested in Pfadt parts and they make some of the best engineered suspension components available for the 5th generation Camaro. I look forward to hearing from you.

Have to agree w/Chase. Excelent way of controllling the hop. It is not so much your power level that breaks everything but the violent forces of the hop. Wheel shake on our dragsters can shake half the car apart. Even though you see the top fuel teams try to drive through it (they have much bigger budgets) we always abort the run (unless in the finals of a $50,000 race or like) to save on the parts. The GForce axles are of a greater mass and help as well.

BMR also does alot of drag testing and like their stuff also.

Sticky tires with some sidewall will help as well since the chassis will load more evenly so shake is less likely.

JMAC2011 · 10-09-2010, 05:42 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys! I like to see that people are putting effort into testing their parts and not just making a part that they think they can sell. I was checking out the Pedders stuff that FLYBY mentioned. Thanks FLYBY! It seems like they put effort into their stuff as well. I really like the idea of the solid bushings made by pfadt. My friend always says that "If I drive over a dime I want to be able to tell you if it is on heads or tails". I've always appreciated feeling the road and it sounds like the pfadt solid bushings give that, I'm not that concerned as long as they are not harsh, noisy, squeaky, etc... I think I'm leaning towards their $2000 kit with sway bars, springs etc... I AM VERY DEDICATED TO CREATING A CAR THAT PERFORMS "REASONABLY" WELL AT THE DRAGSTRIP AS WELL AS THE ROAD TRACK. I really appreciate everyone's feedback so far. I would like to hear some specific testimonies if anybody has any. I might even leave the factory springs in the car if there is any value to that at the dragstrip over the lowered springs and still gain the handling benefits of the rear bushings, sway bars, trailing arms, end links etc...

10-09-2010, 12:18 AM	#1
JMAC2011 MONGOOSE Drives: 2011 SS Camaro M6 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Buford, GA Posts: 178	Went to the DRAGS tonight! What should I do??!!! So, tonight October, 8th 2010, just as I said... went to the drags tonight - ATLANTA DRAGWAY! Modifications: My car now has a full 1 7/8" ARH exhaust system, headers to exhaust tips. I also put in a Comp camshaft: 227/239 .614/.624 113lsa+4, and a K&N panel filter in the stock / factory airbox. By the way, lots of guys came by and asked me what my exhaust was... they all seemed to like the ARH sound goin' down the quarter.....(great job ARH! Thank you!!).... and on with the questions. Car ran an awesome Best MPH at Atlanta Dragway - 115.5mph. My best ET was 12.961@114.85mph and 2.25second 60 foot time. So...... here is the problem. Launch at 2500 rpm,Wheel spin like hell.... followed by feather out of the throttle....followed by noisy, scarry, disgusting amount of wheelhop! WTF 2 major launch problems must get under control! I won't change wheels, but I will consider sticky street tires (Nittos?)... but until I get wheelhop under control I won't put sticky tires on it - still runnin' factory Pirellis - parts will just be more likely to break with stickier tires and ridiculous amounts of wheelhop. I reduced radial tire pressure (Pirellis) to 30 psi-cold prior to 1st pass and did not change it again. I JUST looked at Pfadt solid rear bushings online - they sure are proud of them$$$!! What would you do? Car is making 456rwhp and 417rwtq. I had rev limiter set at 7000rpm and ran through the traps at about 6750 in 3rd gear. Atlanta Drags AND Road Atlanta TRACK DAY coming up in November 2011. If the car is properly setup what should it run in the quarter? I'm considering PFADT setup, sticky tires, and 4.10's. Oh yeah... by the way... TONIGHT... stock tires on 2011 Mustang GT with ONLY 4.10's and catback exhaust... 12.66 at 112mph. I watched HER run HER Mustang while my car was cooling down. Last edited by JMAC2011; 10-09-2010 at 07:48 AM.

10-09-2010, 09:31 AM	#9
JMAC2011 MONGOOSE Drives: 2011 SS Camaro M6 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Buford, GA Posts: 178	What can you guys tell me FROM EXPERIENCE about the solid subframe bushings from PFADT vs. urethane bushings like installation time, noise, vibration, driveability, actual ability to do what you expect from them etc... I'll probably do as much of the installation work myself when I decide on parts. Is it realistic to expect a 1.7 60ft times with suspension and tire upgrades at this current power level 456rwhp, 417rwtq? Last edited by JMAC2011; 10-09-2010 at 10:14 AM.

10-09-2010, 12:51 PM	#12
2010 SSRS Drives: 3 V8 Camaros Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Ocean State Posts: 111,187 View My Garage	do not expect good times with street tires, it is a waist of time going to the track without slicks. __________________ Jannetty Racing JRE Street Package

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10-09-2010, 05:12 AM	#2
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,179	For maximum performance you will need an entire suspension package but you are on the right track with the Pfadt solid sub frame bushings. They are not cheap because they are not cheap. Get your hands on a set and you will see what I mean. Once you get the rear sub frame in check take a look at the rear trailing arms. They will allow the suspension to respond more quickly and keep the tires in contact with the road surface increasing traction. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.

10-09-2010, 07:08 AM	#3
flyby Drives: 2010 Silver SS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Glen Gardner, NJ Posts: 1,336 View My Garage	I had similar problems with my car. Wheel hop and spinning was terrible. I got a complete pedders xa drag pack installed. The package included replacement bushings for all of the stock bushings and a complete set of coil over. After the install the car just planted and took off, no wheel hop and the spinning was handled by relearning how to launch without spinning (about 2000 rpm).

10-09-2010, 07:11 AM	#4
GFORCE1320 Drives: 05 GTO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 1,243	Some of our axles that have our proven anti wheel hop technology incorporated will help get rid of that wheel hop. Thanks Chris

10-09-2010, 08:17 AM	#6
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	You need sticky tires....and if you get ANY wheel hop lift. Wheel hop will break stuff quicker than anything. I would also take the above advice on control arms & axles. I run 10.80's @126-7 w/a 1.40 60'. You need to get the power to the ground.

10-09-2010, 09:20 AM	#8
JMAC2011 MONGOOSE Drives: 2011 SS Camaro M6 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Buford, GA Posts: 178	I appreciate all of the advice so far. This is the kind of stuff I was looking for. SC2150 I think the wheelhop is more violent (for the car) than anything else... so it makes sense that wheelhop will destroy stuff. I'm going to wait on sticky tires until I get the wheelhop under control.

10-09-2010, 05:42 PM	#14
JMAC2011 MONGOOSE Drives: 2011 SS Camaro M6 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Buford, GA Posts: 178	Thanks for the feedback guys! I like to see that people are putting effort into testing their parts and not just making a part that they think they can sell. I was checking out the Pedders stuff that FLYBY mentioned. Thanks FLYBY! It seems like they put effort into their stuff as well. I really like the idea of the solid bushings made by pfadt. My friend always says that "If I drive over a dime I want to be able to tell you if it is on heads or tails". I've always appreciated feeling the road and it sounds like the pfadt solid bushings give that, I'm not that concerned as long as they are not harsh, noisy, squeaky, etc... I think I'm leaning towards their $2000 kit with sway bars, springs etc... I AM VERY DEDICATED TO CREATING A CAR THAT PERFORMS "REASONABLY" WELL AT THE DRAGSTRIP AS WELL AS THE ROAD TRACK. I really appreciate everyone's feedback so far. I would like to hear some specific testimonies if anybody has any. I might even leave the factory springs in the car if there is any value to that at the dragstrip over the lowered springs and still gain the handling benefits of the rear bushings, sway bars, trailing arms, end links etc...