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collins8 · 11-21-2015, 05:43 PM

I am debating two cams the Brian Tooley stage 1 or 2.
My mods are as follows:
Kooks long tubes, no cats
Rotofab CAI
ID850s
ATI Lower with 18% pulley

Just curious what the performance gain would be between the two cams?
Really do not want alott of Lope from a Cam. Also do not want a cam that is hard on the valve train and has a really hard ramp rate. Looking for long term durability. Just seeking info on these two cams?

Thanks,
Rob

Redlineviper · 11-21-2015, 06:42 PM

Get the milder cam, gains with out ported heads will be similar and if you want a milder idle then there's your answer.

Stephen12ZL1 · 11-21-2015, 07:23 PM

BTR stage 2 is a great cam for mild lope and big power!

ABADZL1 · 11-22-2015, 12:30 AM

I just did the stage 1. Along with a 9.55 lower. Omg does it run. I too didnt want something that would beat the crap out of the valve train. I also did the CHE modified rockers for bulletproofness. The cam is not too lopey. But there is enough to tell its cammed. It's just right. Makes roughly the same power as the 2

ZO6 Bryan · 11-22-2015, 10:17 AM

Skip the 1 and 2 and go to the stage 3. It is also ground on the LSL and XER lobe profiles like the 1 and 2, and is just as easy on the valvetrain. And makes big power. It has a noticeable lope but still mild because of the 0 deg overlap. Call Brian Tooley and discuss with him. He has told me he rarely sells the 1 and 2 anymore and everyone usually goes with the 3. And get all the springs and matching parts from him also and you will be trouble free.

CanadianZL1#992 · 11-22-2015, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ZO6 Bryan

Skip the 1 and 2 and go to the stage 3. It is also ground on the LSL and XER lobe profiles like the 1 and 2, and is just as easy on the valvetrain. And makes big power. It has a noticeable lope but still mild because of the 0 deg overlap. Call Brian Tooley and discuss with him. He has told me he rarely sells the 1 and 2 anymore and everyone usually goes with the 3. And get all the springs and matching parts from him also and you will be trouble free.

^^^^^^^ +1

collins8 · 11-22-2015, 11:21 AM

I know the Stage 3 is a nice cam but for me the Lope will be undesireable. This will be my wife's daily driver and I have to careful. I am just trying to decide between the stage 1 and 2.... If there is not a huge power loss between the two the stage 1 will probably be my choice. Just curious what else is people doing to increase valve train durability?

ABADZL1 · 11-22-2015, 11:35 AM

If you dont like the lope of the 3. You probably wont like the 1 or 2. A guy in our club had the 3. Compared to mine, there's not that much difference in the lope. If that's your determining factor then you should go with a custom grind and let them know you don't want lopey. Rather than just buying one off the shelf. There are certain tradeoffs for power. All depends on what you're going to do with the car i guess. If you're happy with the current power and performance, leave the cam alone.

CanadianZL1#992 · 11-22-2015, 12:06 PM

If you want some upgrade but "stock sounding" have you considered the LS9 cam??

Scuzz · 11-22-2015, 12:23 PM

My gt9 cam is quiet and drives like stock

Redlineviper · 11-22-2015, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianZL1#992

If you want some upgrade but "stock sounding" have you considered the LS9 cam??

+1

ZO6 Bryan · 11-22-2015, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuzz

My gt9 cam is quiet and drives like stock

And built on LSK lobes and very tough on the valvetrain.

370zyzfr1 · 12-05-2015, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuzz

My gt9 cam is quiet and drives like stock

I have heard a lot of good things about that cam. Read a lot too. That maybe be my choice in the future.

JANNETTYRACING · 12-05-2015, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by collins8

I am debating two cams the Brian Tooley stage 1 or 2.
My mods are as follows:
Kooks long tubes, no cats
Rotofab CAI
ID850s
ATI Lower with 18% pulley

Just curious what the performance gain would be between the two cams?
Really do not want alott of Lope from a Cam. Also do not want a cam that is hard on the valve train and has a really hard ramp rate. Looking for long term durability. Just seeking info on these two cams?

Thanks,
Rob

Hello Rob, I am a Brian Tooley Dealer I would be happy to answer all of your questions and help you decide on what is best for you.

Ted.

11-21-2015, 05:43 PM	#1
collins8 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Tennessee Posts: 32	I know another Cam question I am debating two cams the Brian Tooley stage 1 or 2. My mods are as follows: Kooks long tubes, no cats Rotofab CAI ID850s ATI Lower with 18% pulley Just curious what the performance gain would be between the two cams? Really do not want alott of Lope from a Cam. Also do not want a cam that is hard on the valve train and has a really hard ramp rate. Looking for long term durability. Just seeking info on these two cams? Thanks, Rob

11-21-2015, 06:42 PM	#2
Redlineviper Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Orlando Posts: 936	Get the milder cam, gains with out ported heads will be similar and if you want a milder idle then there's your answer. __________________ 2013 A6 ZL1

11-21-2015, 07:23 PM	#3
Stephen12ZL1 Drives: '21 ZLE A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Mechanicsville, VA Posts: 6,808	BTR stage 2 is a great cam for mild lope and big power! __________________ '21 ZLE A10 Wild Cherry PDR 2:00.78 VIR Full 10.68@131.69 1.68 60' '17 ZL1 A10 Mosaic Black PDR/Nav 2:03.08 VIR Full 11.003@129.2 1.75 (sold) '15 Z/28 #325 Black a/c & stereo. 2:10.1 VIR Full (sold) '12 ZL1 A6 Black 10.52@131 1.55 60' 2:13 VIR Full (sold)

11-22-2015, 12:30 AM	#4
ABADZL1 ZL1 Pilot Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: TN Posts: 1,670 View My Garage	I just did the stage 1. Along with a 9.55 lower. Omg does it run. I too didnt want something that would beat the crap out of the valve train. I also did the CHE modified rockers for bulletproofness. The cam is not too lopey. But there is enough to tell its cammed. It's just right. Makes roughly the same power as the 2 __________________ GP Tuning 2.5 Cam, RPS Carbon Twin Clutch, Ported Blower, Kook's Headers, Cold Air Inductions CAI, ID850's, 9.17 Lower, 2.5 Upper, JMS BAP, Pedders Front Radius Arm Inserts, Whiteline Subframe Inserts, Tuned by me with HP Tuners Idle Clip Link...........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTL8S9eHwbs

11-22-2015, 10:17 AM	#5
ZO6 Bryan Drives: 02 Z06, 95 Trans Am, 2012 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Southeast Posts: 1,838 View My Garage	Skip the 1 and 2 and go to the stage 3. It is also ground on the LSL and XER lobe profiles like the 1 and 2, and is just as easy on the valvetrain. And makes big power. It has a noticeable lope but still mild because of the 0 deg overlap. Call Brian Tooley and discuss with him. He has told me he rarely sells the 1 and 2 anymore and everyone usually goes with the 3. And get all the springs and matching parts from him also and you will be trouble free. __________________ Bryan 2018 ZL1 M6

11-22-2015, 11:21 AM	#7
collins8 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Tennessee Posts: 32	I know the Stage 3 is a nice cam but for me the Lope will be undesireable. This will be my wife's daily driver and I have to careful. I am just trying to decide between the stage 1 and 2.... If there is not a huge power loss between the two the stage 1 will probably be my choice. Just curious what else is people doing to increase valve train durability?

11-22-2015, 11:35 AM	#8
ABADZL1 ZL1 Pilot Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: TN Posts: 1,670 View My Garage	If you dont like the lope of the 3. You probably wont like the 1 or 2. A guy in our club had the 3. Compared to mine, there's not that much difference in the lope. If that's your determining factor then you should go with a custom grind and let them know you don't want lopey. Rather than just buying one off the shelf. There are certain tradeoffs for power. All depends on what you're going to do with the car i guess. If you're happy with the current power and performance, leave the cam alone. __________________ GP Tuning 2.5 Cam, RPS Carbon Twin Clutch, Ported Blower, Kook's Headers, Cold Air Inductions CAI, ID850's, 9.17 Lower, 2.5 Upper, JMS BAP, Pedders Front Radius Arm Inserts, Whiteline Subframe Inserts, Tuned by me with HP Tuners Idle Clip Link...........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTL8S9eHwbs

11-22-2015, 12:06 PM	#9
CanadianZL1#992 ANGRY Z Drives: 2015 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,406	If you want some upgrade but "stock sounding" have you considered the LS9 cam?? __________________ 2015 ZL1 A6 396 stroker RWHP- depends on nitrous

11-22-2015, 12:23 PM	#10
Scuzz Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 347 View My Garage	My gt9 cam is quiet and drives like stock __________________ 2012 Camaro SS Automatic AGP Twin Turbo LSX427 / ADM Magic / 4L80 “1360 Rwhp 1225 Rwtq 25 lbs of boost”