CARB eo for a turbo system

[Chewy]

I've heard most of the Turbo manufacturers say they can't get CARB eo numbers and won't even bother trying....i just found this on the CARB site

2005-2010 mustang Turbo kit!

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-99-6.pdf

can someone please try to get one of the TT kits approved

[TTI George]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I've heard most of the Turbo manufacturers say they can't get CARB eo numbers and won't even bother trying....i just found this on the CARB site

2005-2010 mustang Turbo kit!

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-99-6.pdf

can someone please try to get one of the TT kits approved

Going to be impossible with most the kits as they remove/move the catalytic converters. This is considered a no no with the emission labs you must go through for a c.a.r.b. cert.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by TTI George

Going to be impossible with most the kits as they remove/move the catalytic converters. This is considered a no no with the emission labs you must go through for a c.a.r.b. cert.

I've been trying to look that up and i can't find ANY regulation saying you can't move them.

you can't remove them, modify the performance of the cat, or install a used cat. They even have a list of aftermarket cats you can install on vehicles

Will someone at least TRY and get a kit approved? you have one of the biggest states completely untapped for this market

[gotpball44]

Dont worry turbonetics is coming out with a Carb EO Turbo kit for the Camaro SOON!

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by gotpball44

Dont worry turbonetics is coming out with a Carb EO Turbo kit for the Camaro SOON!

single? twin? source?

[Alpine M]

It has a single 76mm turbo. It was previewed at SEMA last year and they are releasing it at SEMA this year according the their site.

They are keeping the stock cats and I think the airbox too to pass CARB. I'm excited as hell and waiting with cash in hand for one of these. A few buddies had the 350Z/G35 kit and it was a really really nice setup.

I've been following the updates here - http://www.facebook.com/TurboneticsTurbochargers

[radz28]

I thought STS was working on one, too.

[gotpball44]

Originally Posted by Chewy

single? twin? source?

Its a single mounted int the front.

My car was the SEMA car and the prototype car they used to make the kit.

[Chewy]

This is good news. I'd prefer a twin setup, but this is definitely better than nothing!

Gotpball - what kinda HP/TQ, and boost #'s is your car making?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by gotpball44

Its a single mounted int the front.

My car was the SEMA car and the prototype car they used to make the kit.

Was yours the car that was kinda' tilted on it's side with a bunch of mirrors showing off the system?

I'm interested in photos if you have any you'd like to show off

[gotpball44]

Originally Posted by radz28

Was yours the car that was kinda' tilted on it's side with a bunch of mirrors showing off the system?

I'm interested in photos if you have any you'd like to show off

Yup that was mine, I have some, but nothing that is really worth wild lol. I will see though when i get home.

[Chewy]

looking like only 575 at the crank @7-8psi :(

http://www.facebook.com/TurboneticsT...id=48666676021

trying for under $7300 according to their posts.

[Team STILLEN]

I talked to Turbonetics on Friday. They are working on CARB approval on their turbo kit. The numbers I heard were 614 hp at the crank at 8 psi.

In order to get CARB approval, the kit needs to be set up one way, and sold that one way.

The Mustang kit for anyone that is interested in what the Camaro kit will contain. http://www.turboneticsinc.com/15168_mustang_system

[HaveBlue]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I've been trying to look that up and i can't find ANY regulation saying you can't move them.

you can't remove them, modify the performance of the cat, or install a used cat. They even have a list of aftermarket cats you can install on vehicles

NOTICE TO REGULATED PARTIES
1) 49-State EPA Policy 2) California EPA Policy


EPA 49-State Policy on Sale and Use of Aftermarket Catalytic Converters.
A. ENFORCEMENT POLICY (General Requirements)
Regulated parties shall install new or used aftermarket catalytic converters on motor vehicles only if the converters are represented in writing by the distributor or manufacturer to have been tested according to the procedures in the Federal Register / Volume 51, No. 150 / Tuesday, August 5, 1986, and to have met the performance criteria specified. “Regulated Parties” means any person engaged in the business of repairing, servicing, selling, leasing or trading motor vehicle engines, or who operate a fleet of motor vehicles.

New or used aftermarket converters that meet the performance criteria specified in the Federal Register / Volume 51, No. 150 / Tuesday, August 5, 1986, may be installed in the following situations.
1. if the vehicle is missing a converter.
2. If a state or local inspection program has determined the existing converter has been lead-poisoned or damaged or otherwise needs replacement; or
3. If the vehicle is more than eight years old or has more than 80,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement has been established and documented.

B. DOCUMENTATION
In order to establish and document that the circumstance permitting replacement of an original or missing converter with an aftermarket converter meeting the required performance criteria exist; the installer must include the customer's name, complete address, and the make, model, year and mileage of the vehicle on the service invoice and on the warranty card (enclosed with the converter from the manufacturer), along with a stated reason for replacement.

Where a state or local government has determined that a converter is damaged or needs replacement, the service or repair facility must also retain a copy of the written statement or order by a proper government representative which indicated that the converter should be replaced. This should then be attached to the invoice.

Where the replacement need has not been verified by a proper state or local government representative, the customer and a representative of the service or repair facility must sign a statement which may be contained on the invoice or separate document verifying that replacement is justified. A printed statement (As seen at right) is included in each converter carton.

Installers must retain copies of the invoices and statements (as seen at right) for six (6) months, and the replaced converters (if any) for at least 15 days from the date of installation of the replaced converters. Replaced converters must be marked in such a way that they can be identified with particular customer invoices and statements and be available for EPA inspection.

Persons who install or sell aftermarket converters that do not meet the criteria and conditions specified in the Federal Register / Volume 51, No. 150 / Tuesday, August 5, 1986, may be considered liable for tampering or causing tampering.

Furthermore, the EPA has issued the following installation requirements.
The Converter be installed in one of the three situations outlined above.
The Converter be installed in the same location as the original converter(s).
The Converter be the same type as the original converter (i.e., oxidation, three-way or three-way plus oxidation).
The Converter be the proper one for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer.
The Converter be connected properly to any existing air injection components on the vehicle.
The Converter be installed with any other required converters for a particular application.
The Converter be accompanied by a warranty information card to be filled out by the installer.