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cid067 · 07-25-2012, 10:13 PM

Does anyone have a good drag alignment that they are using info would be appreciated.

JusticePete · 07-25-2012, 11:36 PM

Yep. The objective is to lower the front tire contact patch while maxing out the rear tire contact patch.

Front
Caster is not adjustable from the factory
Camber -1 for a street driven car and maxed out negative -2.2 for a strip only car
Toe 0.00

Rear
Camber 0.00 and no more than -0.50
Toe IN 0.10 Total 0.20

Turbo99 · 07-26-2012, 12:01 AM

Yup what he said, I just did basically the same thing and dropped a couple tenths off my 60ft time.

cid067 · 07-26-2012, 07:05 AM

Thanks for the info much appreciated

Rhino79 · 07-26-2012, 06:29 PM

Why the toe in the rear? I would figure youd want the rear toe at 0 as well?

pouncer72 · 07-26-2012, 07:15 PM

Pete, why recommend negative camber at all for the back tires, just curious. I'm at +0.30 camber at ride height.

Pro Stock John · 07-26-2012, 07:22 PM

Madman always suggested toe-in for front of 4th gens.

Turbo99 · 07-26-2012, 09:11 PM

I did do zero on mine for the rear toe.

JusticePete · 07-27-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhino79

Why the toe in the rear? I would figure you'ld want the rear toe at 0 as well?

The 5th Gen Camaro 5 link is reasonably stable under load. There is some wheel splay under hard acceleration. The toe in helps control that as well as being stable well into triple digits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pouncer72

Pete, why recommend negative camber at all for the back tires, just curious. I'm at +0.30 camber at ride height.

I think +0.30 is great. Not all OE height 5th Gens can get there. I haven't seen a single OE hight 5th Gen that couldn't get to 0.00. Many that drag also lower. the -0.50 is for them. With our extended range camber eccentric bolts we add 1 degree of additional adjustment if needed, but I was trying to avoid any product related information in this thread

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Madman always suggested toe-in for front of 4th gens.

We run more than 1 degree of toe out on road course cars with excellent high speed stability. 0.00 toe decreases rolling resistance. That is why we suggest maximum attainable negative front camber, even with skinnies. Every fraction of a second we can find.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo99

I did do zero on mine for the rear toe.

The total Toe is only 2/10ths of a degree. We know it will be more stable at high speeds and it should help control wheel splay in the 60'. That said, we are splitting hairs.

Hendrix-Engineering · 07-27-2012, 08:31 AM

We use a 1/16th of toe in on the rear to keep the car a lil more stable and not WALK at speed...We stand the rear tires up like a straight axle...

Pro Stock John · 07-27-2012, 08:38 AM

Toe out for drag racing will wander a bit no?

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JusticePete · 07-27-2012, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Toe out for drag racing will wander a bit no?

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In the front, no. In the rear, yes.

willhe64 · 07-27-2012, 11:11 AM

As far as old school drag tech goes, what we try to achieve is the best alignment under the cars full load conditions. When you accelerate down the track, the rear end squats a bunch and the nose comes up a bunch. We set the alignment for the cars attitude.

JusticePete · 07-27-2012, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willhe64

As far as old school drag tech goes, what we try to achieve is the best alignment under the cars full load conditions. When you accelerate down the track, the rear end squats a bunch and the nose comes up a bunch. We set the alignment for the cars attitude.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

07-25-2012, 10:13 PM	#1
cid067 Drives: Black 1SS/RS LS3 M6 "The Toy" Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 291 View My Garage	Drag Alignment Does anyone have a good drag alignment that they are using info would be appreciated. __________________ 2010 1SS/RS Diablo Sport Trinity JRE Tune OBX headers with Cat delete Borla Cat back Volant PowerCore CAI BMR adjustable trialing arms 4.11 Gears JRE cam package.

07-26-2012, 12:01 AM	#3
Turbo99 Drives: 08' F250 Diesel & 10' Camaro 2SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Gainesville,Fl Posts: 1,362 View My Garage	Yup what he said, I just did basically the same thing and dropped a couple tenths off my 60ft time. __________________ 08' F250 CCSB 6.4L Diesel White & Black, Blacked out, 580RWHP @ 55psi 13.21 @ 101mph 10' Camaro 2SS LS3 M6 White & Black, Blacked out, 684 RWHP & 633 FT.LBS @ 10psi 10.82@130mph TVS2300 ,Hendrix Street Slayer Twin Carbon Clutch, Dana 60 3.73, DSS 1400HP Axles,JRe cam & LaMotta Performance tuned,LPE Fuel, AI Super Chiller,MT ET Streets

07-26-2012, 07:05 AM	#4
cid067 Drives: Black 1SS/RS LS3 M6 "The Toy" Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 291 View My Garage	Thanks for the info much appreciated __________________ 2010 1SS/RS Diablo Sport Trinity JRE Tune OBX headers with Cat delete Borla Cat back Volant PowerCore CAI BMR adjustable trialing arms 4.11 Gears JRE cam package.

07-26-2012, 07:22 PM	#7
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	Madman always suggested toe-in for front of 4th gens. __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

07-26-2012, 09:11 PM	#8
Turbo99 Drives: 08' F250 Diesel & 10' Camaro 2SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Gainesville,Fl Posts: 1,362 View My Garage	I did do zero on mine for the rear toe. __________________ 08' F250 CCSB 6.4L Diesel White & Black, Blacked out, 580RWHP @ 55psi 13.21 @ 101mph 10' Camaro 2SS LS3 M6 White & Black, Blacked out, 684 RWHP & 633 FT.LBS @ 10psi 10.82@130mph TVS2300 ,Hendrix Street Slayer Twin Carbon Clutch, Dana 60 3.73, DSS 1400HP Axles,JRe cam & LaMotta Performance tuned,LPE Fuel, AI Super Chiller,MT ET Streets

07-25-2012, 11:36 PM	#2
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	Yep. The objective is to lower the front tire contact patch while maxing out the rear tire contact patch. Front Caster is not adjustable from the factory Camber -1 for a street driven car and maxed out negative -2.2 for a strip only car Toe 0.00 Rear Camber 0.00 and no more than -0.50 Toe IN 0.10 Total 0.20

07-26-2012, 06:29 PM	#5
Rhino79 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99/Auto Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 2,827 View My Garage	Why the toe in the rear? I would figure youd want the rear toe at 0 as well?

07-26-2012, 07:15 PM	#6
pouncer72 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Richmond Hill, GA Posts: 365	Pete, why recommend negative camber at all for the back tires, just curious. I'm at +0.30 camber at ride height.

07-27-2012, 08:31 AM	#10
Hendrix-Engineering Account Suspended Drives: First 9 inch-12 bolt IRS Camaro Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: nc Posts: 1,835	We use a 1/16th of toe in on the rear to keep the car a lil more stable and not WALK at speed...We stand the rear tires up like a straight axle...

07-27-2012, 08:38 AM	#11
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	Toe out for drag racing will wander a bit no? Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

07-27-2012, 11:11 AM	#13
willhe64 Drives: 2012 45th Vert, 2011 4x4, 9sec Vega Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,188	As far as old school drag tech goes, what we try to achieve is the best alignment under the cars full load conditions. When you accelerate down the track, the rear end squats a bunch and the nose comes up a bunch. We set the alignment for the cars attitude. __________________ I feel it only fair to warn you, I have a black belt in CAPS LOCK.