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scrming · 07-25-2009, 06:02 PM

Went to the track today... I made a couple of back to back passes, one in Sport and one shifting manual. First the slips:

Almost identical! (for some reason the track has trouble with my trap speed... LOL)

The Sport slip is on the left and the manual is on the right.

Here are the data logs. First the Sport mode:

Now the manual:

So the sport mode:

1->2 .325
2->3 .275

and manually shifting:

1->2 .350
2->3 .225

so there in this very unscientific test there is a very slight advantage to using the tap shifter....

Countach · 07-26-2009, 01:26 AM

its great to see that the sport mode is so good, and that the tap shift is also very good

JesseJames · 07-28-2009, 07:45 PM

so glad all autos come with tap shift.

Ject · 07-28-2009, 07:50 PM

This looks promising..

scrming · 07-28-2009, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ject

This looks promising..

Yep... and look at the torque management system pulling ALL the timing on the shifts! Timing goes to -8 degrees! LOL

NEO_ITguy · 08-10-2009, 02:42 PM

Was driving with my brother yesterday. I have the L99 A6. I noticed that in Sport mode that when you stop like at a stop sign or in the middle of the road, the car does not go into 1st gear, it will go into 2nd and that's where you take off from. You have to manually shift down into 1st while stopped.

Basically we were doing burnouts (yes I'm 34) and couldn't get the car to do them in drive or sport even with TC off. Hold down brake, hit gas, and let off brake while gas is floored. If you shift down into 1st you can leave a nice long dual rubber track into 3rd gear before the car catches. Lotta smoke, good stuff. Won't do jack in 2nd gear as I found out.

Anyone else notice Sport not starting from 1st gear and is there a reason besides preventing me from ruining my tires?

I was also researching online and noticed a lot of gear differences between the transmissions. I don't know what it means, I'm assuming the bigger the number the more torque?

Transmissions
Hydra-Matic 6l50 six-speed automatic (LS, LT) w/ TAPshift
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.07
Second: 2.37
Third: 1.55
Fourth: 1.16
Fifth: 0.85
Sixth: 0.67
Reverse: 3.06
Final drive ratio: 3.27

Hydra-Matic 6l80 six-speed automatic (SS) w/ TAPshift
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.03
Second: 2.36
Third: 1.53
Fourth: 1.15
Fifth: 0.85
Sixth: 0.67
Reverse: 3.06
Final drive ratio: 3.27

Aisin Warner AY6 six-speed manual (LS, LT)
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.48
Second: 2.58
Third: 1.63
Fourth: 1.19
Fifth: 1.00
Sixth: 0.75
Reverse: 3.67
Final drive ratio: 3.27

TR6060 six-speed manual (SS)
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 3.01
Second: 2.07
Third: 1.43
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.84
Sixth: 0.57
Reverse: 3.28
Final drive ratio: 3.45

Supermans · 08-10-2009, 02:47 PM

My tapshift is faster than your tapshift..Wanna race..?

SGOS252382 · 08-10-2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEO_ITguy

Was driving with my brother yesterday. I have the L99 A6. I noticed that in Sport mode that when you stop like at a stop sign or in the middle of the road, the car does not go into 1st gear, it will go into 2nd and that's where you take off from. You have to manually shift down into 1st while stopped.

Basically we were doing burnouts (yes I'm 34) and couldn't get the car to do them in drive or sport even with TC off. Hold down brake, hit gas, and let off brake while gas is floored. If you shift down into 1st you can leave a nice long dual rubber track into 3rd gear before the car catches. Lotta smoke, good stuff. Won't do jack in 2nd gear as I found out.

Anyone else notice Sport not starting from 1st gear and is there a reason besides preventing me from ruining my tires?

I was also researching online and noticed a lot of gear differences between the transmissions. I don't know what it means, I'm assuming the bigger the number the more torque?

Transmissions
Hydra-Matic 6l50 six-speed automatic (LS, LT) w/ TAPshift
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.07
Second: 2.37
Third: 1.55
Fourth: 1.16
Fifth: 0.85
Sixth: 0.67
Reverse: 3.06
Final drive ratio: 3.27

Hydra-Matic 6l80 six-speed automatic (SS) w/ TAPshift
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.03
Second: 2.36
Third: 1.53
Fourth: 1.15
Fifth: 0.85
Sixth: 0.67
Reverse: 3.06
Final drive ratio: 3.27

Aisin Warner AY6 six-speed manual (LS, LT)
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.48
Second: 2.58
Third: 1.63
Fourth: 1.19
Fifth: 1.00
Sixth: 0.75
Reverse: 3.67
Final drive ratio: 3.27

TR6060 six-speed manual (SS)
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 3.01
Second: 2.07
Third: 1.43
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.84
Sixth: 0.57
Reverse: 3.28
Final drive ratio: 3.45

The only mode that doesn't automatically start out in 1st gear is M (manual - tap shift mode). In manual/tap shift mode, it only drops you down to 2nd gear when you come to a stop. As you mentioned, the only way to be in 1st gear is to tap down into it.
The other modes (D -regular drive), (M -regular sport mode) start you out in
1st gear everytime you come to a complete stop.

jakemaxx · 08-10-2009, 05:32 PM

you had a bad rt on the second slip.

StlRomAniaN · 06-05-2010, 07:23 PM

BUMP. TAPshift is pretty quick, even with the stock tune. I need the datalog my tuned tranny. I bet it's close to .1 sec. Can anyone outshift that? lol

VictoryMuscleCars · 08-24-2010, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrming

Went to the track today... I made a couple of back to back passes, one in Sport and one shifting manual.

so there in this very unscientific test there is a very slight advantage to using the tap shifter....

Interesting info and results... nice post! Thanks

07-25-2009, 06:02 PM	#1
scrming Red Brick of Vengeance! Drives: 12 Second Brick Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: at my pulpit Posts: 7,745	Sport vs Tapshift Went to the track today... I made a couple of back to back passes, one in Sport and one shifting manual. First the slips: Almost identical! (for some reason the track has trouble with my trap speed... LOL) The Sport slip is on the left and the manual is on the right. Here are the data logs. First the Sport mode: Now the manual: So the sport mode: 1->2 .325 2->3 .275 and manually shifting: 1->2 .350 2->3 .225 so there in this very unscientific test there is a very slight advantage to using the tap shifter.... __________________ 2011 Ford Flex EcoBoost Limited - 12.727 @ 109.790 MPH

07-26-2009, 01:26 AM	#2
Countach Drives: Future 2010 Camaro 2LT/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 419	its great to see that the sport mode is so good, and that the tap shift is also very good __________________ 2LT/RS Auto with IO interior 1100 - 7/12/09 - NMGJKP 2000 - 7/20/09 - Order Accepted By GM 2500 - 7/22/09 - Order Preferenced 3000 - 7/23/09 - Order Accepted by Production Control TPW 8/17/09 3100 - 8/5/09 - Order Available to Sequence 3300 - 8/5/09 - Order Scheduled for Production 3400 - 8/12/09 - Order Broadcast 3800 - 8/19/09 - Order Produced 2G1FC1EV6A9137780 4200 - 8/20/09 - Order Shipped 5000 - 8/27/09 - Delivered to Dealer 6000 - 8/27/09 - Home

07-28-2009, 07:50 PM	#4
Ject aka Patrick Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS '04 Silverado Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Derby Kansas Posts: 3,072	This looks promising.. __________________ Current Modifications: Your average Bolt-ons & Suspension Upgrades GForce Engineering: 9" Rear End, Strange Pro Iron Case w/Moser Nodular 3.70:1 Detroit locker, 3.5" Solid Drive Shaft

08-10-2009, 02:47 PM	#7
Supermans Camaro & Stang Enthusiast Drives: 2011 Mustang 5.0 in Kona Blue Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 4,752 View My Garage	My tapshift is faster than your tapshift..Wanna race..? __________________ Bought my Camaro from Eric Hall(817) 421-7266

08-10-2009, 05:32 PM	#9
jakemaxx Drives: 1969 impala Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: stanwood, wa Posts: 234	you had a bad rt on the second slip. __________________ ordering 1SS, IOM, White Stripes, Sunroof, BA Sound System, RS Package, LS3 6M :5thgenvert:

07-28-2009, 07:45 PM	#3
JesseJames Drives: 2010 2LT/RS Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 129	so glad all autos come with tap shift.

08-10-2009, 02:42 PM	#6
NEO_ITguy Drives: 2010 1SS / 2004 WRX Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ravenna, Ohio Posts: 17	Was driving with my brother yesterday. I have the L99 A6. I noticed that in Sport mode that when you stop like at a stop sign or in the middle of the road, the car does not go into 1st gear, it will go into 2nd and that's where you take off from. You have to manually shift down into 1st while stopped. Basically we were doing burnouts (yes I'm 34) and couldn't get the car to do them in drive or sport even with TC off. Hold down brake, hit gas, and let off brake while gas is floored. If you shift down into 1st you can leave a nice long dual rubber track into 3rd gear before the car catches. Lotta smoke, good stuff. Won't do jack in 2nd gear as I found out. Anyone else notice Sport not starting from 1st gear and is there a reason besides preventing me from ruining my tires? I was also researching online and noticed a lot of gear differences between the transmissions. I don't know what it means, I'm assuming the bigger the number the more torque? Transmissions Hydra-Matic 6l50 six-speed automatic (LS, LT) w/ TAPshift Gear ratios (:1): First: 4.07 Second: 2.37 Third: 1.55 Fourth: 1.16 Fifth: 0.85 Sixth: 0.67 Reverse: 3.06 Final drive ratio: 3.27 Hydra-Matic 6l80 six-speed automatic (SS) w/ TAPshift Gear ratios (:1): First: 4.03 Second: 2.36 Third: 1.53 Fourth: 1.15 Fifth: 0.85 Sixth: 0.67 Reverse: 3.06 Final drive ratio: 3.27 Aisin Warner AY6 six-speed manual (LS, LT) Gear ratios (:1): First: 4.48 Second: 2.58 Third: 1.63 Fourth: 1.19 Fifth: 1.00 Sixth: 0.75 Reverse: 3.67 Final drive ratio: 3.27 TR6060 six-speed manual (SS) Gear ratios (:1): First: 3.01 Second: 2.07 Third: 1.43 Fourth: 1.00 Fifth: 0.84 Sixth: 0.57 Reverse: 3.28 Final drive ratio: 3.45

06-05-2010, 07:23 PM	#10
StlRomAniaN Drives: IOM 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,782 View My Garage	BUMP. TAPshift is pretty quick, even with the stock tune. I need the datalog my tuned tranny. I bet it's close to .1 sec. Can anyone outshift that? lol __________________

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