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Falundir · 12-03-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vroom

I would have sent you home for spelling "Fremont" wrong

j/k.

Good job fighting it. Some cops can be a little over zealous.

Hah, I was still a little new to the area. I keep thinking of it like Freeport (from EQ...).

The good news is, as posted in this thread - http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330866, I won the court case. So we now have case law backing the use of these halos.

ZekeZeke14 · 12-03-2013, 10:05 AM

This is brilliant! I also have amber halos and got pulled over once when an officer mistook it for red. It was just a $15 fine, so I just paid it but I would have loved to have something like this! Any chance you could send me a pdf I could print off for my records?

Falundir · 12-03-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ZekeZeke14

This is brilliant! I also have amber halos and got pulled over once when an officer mistook it for red. It was just a $15 fine, so I just paid it but I would have loved to have something like this! Any chance you could send me a pdf I could print off for my records?

Just shoot me an email at Christopher.sitter@gmail.com. I will send this over and once I get the documentation from the new case I will also forward it over.

Misfit1 · 12-04-2013, 10:04 AM

unfortunately, here in the good ole commonwealth (Virginia) all this stuff is illegal....we just pay the fines and move on....such crap....

FY_Ivan · 12-04-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Misfit1

unfortunately, here in the good ole commonwealth (Virginia) all this stuff is illegal....we just pay the fines and move on....such crap....

What exactly? Amber halos in the front? Those should be allowed just like the turn signal lights are. I got some oracle side markers and their amber is a bit red-ish but just like the OP posted, as long as they are in the acceptable range they should be legal. Only problem is when the police officer won't give you the benefit of doubt/doesn't care and writes you a ticket anyways, then you gotta go to court and prove they are amber. We pay close to $70 in court fees though...

Misfit1 · 12-04-2013, 10:41 AM

Side markers, maybe....but everything else other than a direct OEM replacement (ie color) is a no go. This is a bible belt state, for gods sake there is still a law here about washing your mule on the sidewalk....these are old school laws and lawmakers, judges and jurys. Federal may say ok, but then the commonwealth says no, specifically for lighting, unless it is standard equipment. Some of the cops are cool enough to understand how jacked these laws are, but others especially your newbs, probies and old heads will hem you up. I had to strip tint of my 77 vette on the side of the road!!! the car was over 30 yo at the time and an antique, my choice was do what he says or get hauled off for obstruction....the commonwealth is crazy and even worse in Hampton Roads, blows my mind!!! I failed an inspection for ADDING A CATALYTIC converter!!! Same vette, added true dual exhaust...so two converters, and failed for altering original exhaust configuration.....if anything I made it better!!!!!

I would love for progression to come to this state similar to Florida and Cali, Thats why you never see anything truly radical on the road, because the shops will get fined for doing the work and the owner will get fined for enjoying the work....so the car would become a real expensive lawn ornament!! just to give an example, the only Oracle dealer in this state is in Roanaoke, 18 miles form the WV and NC border....bet 99% of his work doesn't come from the commonwealth! I am trying to get the shops here to order and represent Oracle and all of them have said no so far as the products cant be used.

FY_Ivan · 12-04-2013, 10:44 AM

Wow you got hosed big time. Sorry to hear all that, I'm not the biggest fan of cops here in northern va either...

Spartan01 · 12-04-2013, 10:54 AM

Hey man, congrats on beating that ticket.
Just a heads up, a cop CAN STILL pull you over, all he has to do is say that they lights in question APPEARED red. This gives him the Primary Offense needed to pull you over, at which point he can hit you for any secondary offenses as well.
So, if you are rolling dirty, watch out.

Spartan01 · 12-04-2013, 10:57 AM

You could also use the original manufacturers Box/Label/Receipt as prrof of the color, it should say "Amber, or Orange on it somewhere.

Falundir · 12-04-2013, 04:45 PM

An officer can pull you over for any reason in reality. I would love to have my windows tinted, however it is a favorite with local police so I never even bothered with it.

As for the color on the box - There are not any legal requirements where the manufacturer has to label their lights according to SAE regulations. Walking into court with the box does not prove that the lights that were installed actually operate within the specified light range.

markgws6 · 12-09-2013, 04:50 PM

Whenever someone wins a court battle for something reasonable like this, you help all of the modding/customizing industry, and all of us as here that mod as well. So my hat off to you. I live close by, so now I know I can run amber halos legally. Way to go!!

12-03-2013, 10:05 AM	#44
ZekeZeke14 so nice, you say it twice Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT CGM/Matte Black Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Orono, ME Posts: 160	This is brilliant! I also have amber halos and got pulled over once when an officer mistook it for red. It was just a $15 fine, so I just paid it but I would have loved to have something like this! Any chance you could send me a pdf I could print off for my records? __________________

12-04-2013, 10:44 AM	#49
FY_Ivan Black Mamba Drives: 2013 2LT RS Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 185	Wow you got hosed big time. Sorry to hear all that, I'm not the biggest fan of cops here in northern va either... __________________ 2013 2LT RS "Black Mamba" Heritage Grille \| Gen5DIY Halo & DRL Harness \| LEDs - DRLs, dome, trunk, license plate \| ZL1 rear and RPI front splash guards \| CAI Inc. Cold Air Intake Elite Engineering Catch Can \| Oracle Ghosted Sidemarkers \| FR ZL1 style wheels \| VMax Black Ported TB

12-04-2013, 10:54 AM	#50
Spartan01 Drives: Evil Eva, 2010 2SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Falls Church, Virginia Posts: 3,600	Hey man, congrats on beating that ticket. Just a heads up, a cop CAN STILL pull you over, all he has to do is say that they lights in question APPEARED red. This gives him the Primary Offense needed to pull you over, at which point he can hit you for any secondary offenses as well. So, if you are rolling dirty, watch out. __________________ "You simply cannot trust quotes found on the internet." -Abraham Lincoln

12-04-2013, 10:57 AM	#51
Spartan01 Drives: Evil Eva, 2010 2SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Falls Church, Virginia Posts: 3,600	You could also use the original manufacturers Box/Label/Receipt as prrof of the color, it should say "Amber, or Orange on it somewhere. __________________ "You simply cannot trust quotes found on the internet." -Abraham Lincoln

12-09-2013, 04:50 PM	#53
markgws6 Drives: 2019 Chevy Equinox Premier AWD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,344 View My Garage	Whenever someone wins a court battle for something reasonable like this, you help all of the modding/customizing industry, and all of us as here that mod as well. So my hat off to you. I live close by, so now I know I can run amber halos legally. Way to go!! __________________ 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE, NPP, Camera (1 of 43)

12-04-2013, 10:04 AM	#46
Misfit1 Drives: 2012 White/Inferno 2SS Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 41 View My Garage	unfortunately, here in the good ole commonwealth (Virginia) all this stuff is illegal....we just pay the fines and move on....such crap....

12-04-2013, 10:41 AM	#48
Misfit1 Drives: 2012 White/Inferno 2SS Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 41 View My Garage	Side markers, maybe....but everything else other than a direct OEM replacement (ie color) is a no go. This is a bible belt state, for gods sake there is still a law here about washing your mule on the sidewalk....these are old school laws and lawmakers, judges and jurys. Federal may say ok, but then the commonwealth says no, specifically for lighting, unless it is standard equipment. Some of the cops are cool enough to understand how jacked these laws are, but others especially your newbs, probies and old heads will hem you up. I had to strip tint of my 77 vette on the side of the road!!! the car was over 30 yo at the time and an antique, my choice was do what he says or get hauled off for obstruction....the commonwealth is crazy and even worse in Hampton Roads, blows my mind!!! I failed an inspection for ADDING A CATALYTIC converter!!! Same vette, added true dual exhaust...so two converters, and failed for altering original exhaust configuration.....if anything I made it better!!!!! I would love for progression to come to this state similar to Florida and Cali, Thats why you never see anything truly radical on the road, because the shops will get fined for doing the work and the owner will get fined for enjoying the work....so the car would become a real expensive lawn ornament!! just to give an example, the only Oracle dealer in this state is in Roanaoke, 18 miles form the WV and NC border....bet 99% of his work doesn't come from the commonwealth! I am trying to get the shops here to order and represent Oracle and all of them have said no so far as the products cant be used.

12-04-2013, 04:45 PM	#52
Falundir Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE - Hyper Blue, P85DL Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: East Bay Posts: 2,189 View My Garage	An officer can pull you over for any reason in reality. I would love to have my windows tinted, however it is a favorite with local police so I never even bothered with it. As for the color on the box - There are not any legal requirements where the manufacturer has to label their lights according to SAE regulations. Walking into court with the box does not prove that the lights that were installed actually operate within the specified light range.