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streetrace · 06-30-2010, 02:38 PM

so has anyone else cleaned the teeth off the pinon yet?

hamidar05 · 06-30-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by streetrace

so has anyone else cleaned the teeth off the pinon yet?

I think I saw a recent thread on that. Man, that's lame. Send it back to them, hope you saved the 3.45s..

Good luck

2010 SSRS · 06-30-2010, 09:05 PM

wow, that's not good to hear.

Supercharged SS · 06-30-2010, 09:12 PM

Jannetty racing had a car do that about a month ago. Not sure what Richmond did if anything. It wasn't a pretty site.

Apex Motorsports · 06-30-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by streetrace

so has anyone else cleaned the teeth off the pinon yet?

Are you saying you had this happen or you are just wondering if its happened again? There has only been a few confirmed cases of this happening and after selling enough of these gears to fill a semi truck trailer we have yet to have one of our customers break a set. That being said, with enough power and/or abuse anything will break.

streetrace · 06-30-2010, 09:28 PM

this did happen, all teeth are gone from pinon, most gone or chipped from ring gear, I am a gm tech and these were set up perfect, and had no whine and a perfect pattern
the gears are in the mail back to Richmond, and my stock 3.45s are back in for now
I understand you have to pay to play, but these only had 560 miles on them, and I didn't even get a chance to try them at the track yet
I was just seeing if anyone else has had this happen, and if Richmond covered it

VADER SS L99 · 07-01-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by streetrace

this did happen, all teeth are gone from pinon, most gone or chipped from ring gear, I am a gm tech and these were set up perfect, and had no whine and a perfect pattern
the gears are in the mail back to Richmond, and my stock 3.45s are back in for now
I understand you have to pay to play, but these only had 560 miles on them, and I didn't even get a chance to try them at the track yet
I was just seeing if anyone else has had this happen, and if Richmond covered it

Compare your stock pieces to the Richmond and tell me if you cant see a big difference. Richmond lost me as a customer after I broke not 1 but 2 sets of 3.73 gears in my auto 4th gen Z28. That car was a bolt on car with about 340rwhp. Both times the gears broke it was on the street with street tires. Gears were installed correctly both times by same shop. Went with a set of 3.73 AAM (I think AAM was the name, same company that makes stock gears) and never had a problem again for many , many years until I sold the car. The AAM gears took way more abuse with drag radials than the Richmond and were as quiet as stock unlike the Richmond that wined like a ricer. In all seriousness though any company will have their work cut out for them making 4.10's in this car because the 4.10 will always be weaker than the 3.42's made by the same company.

IROCanSS · 07-01-2010, 09:23 AM

My broke set too. I was the first car to have them on the street. I got them installed the day the install kits became available, sometime in February. They broke mid March with 1000 miles. Car was basically stock with street tires. All it had was a tune, the gears and tune were my first mod. I am back to 3.45s now. Richmond was a stand-up company about and refunded my money for the gears and install kit. CincySpeed was also a very stand-up company about it. They installed my 3.45s back in my car at no charge. All I am out (other than the 4.10s which were AWESOME) is the cost of the initiall install and the tow bill. Not a big deal... remember pay to play!

You are right, it was not pretty. 100% cleaned off the pinion, about 75% off the ring. All teeth chipped in some manner.

Good luck, I hope they do you right. I have heard of atleast one other set with the same failure...

se7en · 07-01-2010, 09:33 AM

I guess i'll keep my fingers crossed

camaro1 · 07-01-2010, 11:36 AM

heard a rumor from several people that richmond was telling people to put 2 qts of gear lube in the rear diff (capacity is 1.1 qt) they said to fill it through the vent tube and make the total 2 qts??

anyone else here this??

edneyens · 07-01-2010, 11:41 AM

My installer says that you can get different quality Richmond gears one in a blue and one in a black box. Said the set I got from Apex was the good set. Don't know much more - does anyone know more about the two versions?

danhr · 07-01-2010, 12:07 PM

4.10's in mine. I've put about 6000 miles on them. Still no whine. Still in tact. Mods in sig. It isn't a stock car, and gets driven hard.

POWERFREAK · 07-01-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro1

heard a rumor from several people that richmond was telling people to put 2 qts of gear lube in the rear diff (capacity is 1.1 qt) they said to fill it through the vent tube and make the total 2 qts??

anyone else here this??

haven't heard that...if that were true, you would think they'd list that on a special instruction sheet w/ the gears.

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Originally Posted by edneyens

My installer says that you can get different quality Richmond gears one in a blue and one in a black box. Said the set I got from Apex was the good set. Don't know much more - does anyone know more about the two versions?

sounds like BS.

se7en · 07-01-2010, 12:46 PM

+1

06-30-2010, 02:38 PM	#1
streetrace Drives: a slow 2010 Join Date: May 2009 Location: wyoming Posts: 85	Richmond 4.10 fail so has anyone else cleaned the teeth off the pinon yet?

06-30-2010, 09:05 PM	#3
2010 SSRS Drives: 3 V8 Camaros Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Ocean State Posts: 111,187 View My Garage	wow, that's not good to hear. __________________ Jannetty Racing JRE Street Package

07-01-2010, 09:23 AM	#8
IROCanSS Account Suspended Drives: 89 IROC 350 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Back roads, southern Ohio Posts: 12,504 View My Garage	My broke set too. I was the first car to have them on the street. I got them installed the day the install kits became available, sometime in February. They broke mid March with 1000 miles. Car was basically stock with street tires. All it had was a tune, the gears and tune were my first mod. I am back to 3.45s now. Richmond was a stand-up company about and refunded my money for the gears and install kit. CincySpeed was also a very stand-up company about it. They installed my 3.45s back in my car at no charge. All I am out (other than the 4.10s which were AWESOME) is the cost of the initiall install and the tow bill. Not a big deal... remember pay to play! You are right, it was not pretty. 100% cleaned off the pinion, about 75% off the ring. All teeth chipped in some manner. Good luck, I hope they do you right. I have heard of atleast one other set with the same failure... Last edited by IROCanSS; 07-01-2010 at 10:11 AM.

07-01-2010, 11:36 AM	#10
camaro1 Drives: 550+RWHP 2010 camaro Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: wisconsin Posts: 1,588	heard a rumor from several people that richmond was telling people to put 2 qts of gear lube in the rear diff (capacity is 1.1 qt) they said to fill it through the vent tube and make the total 2 qts?? anyone else here this?? __________________ 415ci stroker, TVS 2300 Magnacharger, cnc heads, cam, yank ss3200 converter, Kooks long tubes, Bwoody true cold air kit, ZL1 Pump, magnaflow 3" cat-back, lowering springs,BMR control arms and tie rod bars, 3.73 gears, diff mounts, RX can, ADM fuel controller

07-01-2010, 11:41 AM	#11
edneyens Drives: 1SS/RS/M6-White/Beige Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 161	My installer says that you can get different quality Richmond gears one in a blue and one in a black box. Said the set I got from Apex was the good set. Don't know much more - does anyone know more about the two versions? __________________

06-30-2010, 09:12 PM	#4
Supercharged SS Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 11,927	Jannetty racing had a car do that about a month ago. Not sure what Richmond did if anything. It wasn't a pretty site.

06-30-2010, 09:28 PM	#6
streetrace Drives: a slow 2010 Join Date: May 2009 Location: wyoming Posts: 85	this did happen, all teeth are gone from pinon, most gone or chipped from ring gear, I am a gm tech and these were set up perfect, and had no whine and a perfect pattern the gears are in the mail back to Richmond, and my stock 3.45s are back in for now I understand you have to pay to play, but these only had 560 miles on them, and I didn't even get a chance to try them at the track yet I was just seeing if anyone else has had this happen, and if Richmond covered it

07-01-2010, 09:33 AM	#9
se7en Drives: 10 Procharged SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The creek at the end of the dead end road Posts: 1,857	I guess i'll keep my fingers crossed

07-01-2010, 12:07 PM	#12
danhr BAMF SS Drives: 2016 Camaro 1SS A8 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ford City, PA Posts: 3,023	4.10's in mine. I've put about 6000 miles on them. Still no whine. Still in tact. Mods in sig. It isn't a stock car, and gets driven hard. __________________ 2016 1SS A8: FBO + Circle D + P1X + Meth + Tuned by Pray Performance Stock Longblock 800 SAE rwhp. 9.4 @ 145 mph.

07-01-2010, 12:46 PM	#14
se7en Drives: 10 Procharged SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The creek at the end of the dead end road Posts: 1,857	+1

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