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scorpio · 07-23-2008, 04:16 PM

After watching the ignition vid a thought occured to me... I do not understand why the symbology on HUDs in automotive applications is always so blocky and bold faced?

If you have a look at aircraft HUD symbology it is almost always made up of thin lines, characters and symbols (FLIR image overlays etc. being the exception). I know that there are technological/historic reasons for this (vector data driven crts) but I think it also makes a lot of sense since the purpose of a HUD is to provide a lot of information while obstructing the view of the outside world as little as possible.

In this regard, I would appreciate it if the Camaro HUD became the exception to the rule and at least offered an alternative a/c style symbology mode.

blackZbandit · 07-23-2008, 04:21 PM

100 million dollar plane vs. 30k car... i have absolutely NO idea why a plane would have a better HUD than the Camaro!!

scorpio · 07-23-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackZbandit

100 million dollar plane vs. 30k car... i have absolutely NO idea why a plane would have a better HUD than the Camaro!!

I don't think this is predominantly a cost issue. Of course, very thin lines would require a very high-resolution raster display to look good and artefact-free. But take a look at the 'RPM-segmented-circle' in the ignition vid: Replacing those solid blocks/segments with thin vertical or horizontal lines (like the airspeed or altitude tape gauges on an a/c HUD) would be a relatively simple software change - provided the display panel is actually of a raster type.

Captain Awesome · 07-23-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpio

I don't think this is predominantly a cost issue. Of course, very thin lines would require a very high-resolution raster display to look good and artefact-free. But take a look at the 'RPM-segmented-circle' in the ignition vid: Replacing those solid blocks/segments with thin vertical or horizontal lines (like the airspeed or altitude tape gauges on an a/c HUD) would be a relatively simple software change - provided the display panel is actually of a raster type.

I believe aircraft use a vector type display (think Asteroids or Battlezone) and the HUDs in cars are just simple LEDs. A raster display can display anything. An LED can only light up in a fixed way (like a common digital clock).

flaguy · 07-23-2008, 04:47 PM

An F-15 HUD is about the price of two SS Camaros

scorpio · 07-23-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I believe aircraft use a vector type display (think Asteroids or Battlezone) and the HUDs in cars are just simple LEDs. A raster display can display anything. An LED can only light up in a fixed way (like a common digital clock).

Originally, a/c HUDs were all vector type displays. Today there are also raster type HUDs and even hybrid ones (e.g. ECR Tornado).

I agree, if the display to be used in the camaro is not a raster type (it's definitely not vector), changing the symbology would mean a hardware redesign.

Chemical · 07-23-2008, 05:27 PM

I think anyone would be impressed that there is a HUD in a Camaro no matter how it looks like. I do see your point though...

For right now, a HUD is a luxury item there isn't a need to improve on any resolution on those things for a car. The only way I see this happening is if the HUD displays more information than just speed.

ROE · 07-23-2008, 05:33 PM

WILL THE CAMARO HAVE HUD AT THE START OF PRODUCTION?????????/

*Mindz* · 07-23-2008, 05:38 PM

probably the second half of the year.

Caps lock is cruise control for cool...

*radz28* · 07-23-2008, 06:39 PM

Hey, I don't know about all this blocky-round-a/c-FLIR stuff, but I think it looks pretty cool and like that it will be available.

boxmonkeyracing · 07-23-2008, 06:41 PM

according to the Dealer IDL it will be available DEC 09.

as for the blocky/round/flir. I've worked on flir and such. those parts are usually pretty darn expensive because they are military rated. and to those companies rip off the goverment. but yea.

brantley847 · 07-23-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackZbandit

100 million dollar plane vs. 30k car... i have absolutely NO idea why a plane would have a better HUD than the Camaro!!

hahaha +1, if I could just HAVE a HUD by release date I would be happy

chadrcr · 07-24-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by flaguy

An F-15 HUD is about the price of two SS Camaros

I will take the two SS's you can have the F15 hud!

I do hope that the hud is ready sooner than predicted, that would be a nice add, it could make me wait...

I do not like to wait...

and I can return the GMC at the end of January 09 (end of smartbuy) I thought the Camaros would be around by then, back in Dec 2005.

*DGthe3* · 07-25-2008, 11:01 PM

image quality on HUD's will improve once it becomes standard for a segment of cars. In the mean time we will be able to get a blocky one on a camaro in about 17 months.

07-23-2008, 04:16 PM	#1
scorpio Drives: E46 BMW Join Date: May 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 24	HUDs After watching the ignition vid a thought occured to me... I do not understand why the symbology on HUDs in automotive applications is always so blocky and bold faced? If you have a look at aircraft HUD symbology it is almost always made up of thin lines, characters and symbols (FLIR image overlays etc. being the exception). I know that there are technological/historic reasons for this (vector data driven crts) but I think it also makes a lot of sense since the purpose of a HUD is to provide a lot of information while obstructing the view of the outside world as little as possible. In this regard, I would appreciate it if the Camaro HUD became the exception to the rule and at least offered an alternative a/c style symbology mode.

07-23-2008, 05:38 PM	#9
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07-25-2008, 11:01 PM	#14
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07-23-2008, 04:21 PM	#2
blackZbandit Drives: BLACK ON BLACK 2012 CAMARO SS Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LOS ANGELES, CA Posts: 743 View My Garage	100 million dollar plane vs. 30k car... i have absolutely NO idea why a plane would have a better HUD than the Camaro!!

07-23-2008, 04:47 PM	#5
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07-23-2008, 05:27 PM	#7
Chemical Drives: 2SS RS Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 710	I think anyone would be impressed that there is a HUD in a Camaro no matter how it looks like. I do see your point though... For right now, a HUD is a luxury item there isn't a need to improve on any resolution on those things for a car. The only way I see this happening is if the HUD displays more information than just speed.

07-23-2008, 05:33 PM	#8
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