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Titan · 01-12-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hall of Fame

I imagine some of you folks would sue God if an earthquake swallowed your car while parked filling up at the service station.

We get it, your the most passive and forgiving soul on the this site. Good for you!

Banshee · 01-12-2014, 03:53 PM

Lets look at this differently....

I believe the dealership and insurance company of the dealership is treating this as if an unknown entity broke into the dealership, took the keys, destroyed the car.

A. The dealership would ONLY be suing the thief for the damage for the building and have absolutely NO responsibility for the theft and damage to the ZL1.

B. The owner (OP) insurance company handles the claim and ensuing lawsuit against the thief who broke into the dealership and stole the car.

C. The dealership has no responsibility to rectify anything for the ZL1 damage.

D. The OP insurance company has the responsibility to make the OP whole as best they can and NOT the dealership.

HOWEVER!!!!!

Since the theft...and this IS a theft, the dealership is 100% responsible for all damage and to make the OP whole by any and all means up to and including breech of contract and merchant ability.

My house burns down accidentally, my house gets rebuilt better than it was before if that is how I want it. HOWEVER, if I contract someone to burn my house down, he gets caught, I get implicated, I am ass-out.

Catch my drift?

Rarerat · 01-12-2014, 04:04 PM

Another new member brought here by this thread, I sincerely hope GM steps up with the ZL-1 of your choice Mr Hooper.

BSX_Camaro · 01-12-2014, 04:10 PM

The funny part of the arguments "in defense" of the dealer aren't seeing the true picture.

The employee "DIDN'T" break into the dealership. He was given access. Without the access the crime wouldn't have happened in the first place. He didn't pick a lock or break a window. THAT is the point where the dealer needs to accept the responsibility. Taking the car off lot wasn't approved as they mention over and over again but the access to commit the crime WAS approved.

Do I expect the dealer to "give" him a new 2014 ZL1? No, but their current offer is a joke. To make it right, they need to give the OP equivalent or better than what he had. IF that means a 14 ZL1, so be it. But the only opinion that matters is the OPs. I for one would expect more than the current offer as well. The current offer shows that the dealer isn't accepting responsibility of their ex-employee's actions as a representative of their dealership WITH ACCESS to commit the crime in the first place.

cant_get_rite · 01-12-2014, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RedZL1

@Hall of Fame....
Why are you so butthurt, resorting to personal insults on the OP? Is your name Mr. Hansen?....perhaps related in some way?

Judging by the overwhelming positive support the OP has garnered on this site as well as others (yellowbullet) I think you're the one who has clearly made an ass out of himself for all on this forum (and the world) to see. So now you call the OP's "manhood" into question because the OP posted his experience on this forum? I guess you being a real man and all, you would take what ever shitty deal was being thrown at you, stfu, and be happy with it?

It's laughable you later go on to chastise people for forming a negative opinion of the d!ckbag who stole the car, telling people to "look in the mirror" when the perp is labeled as trailer trash, yet you have no problem passing judgement on Mr. hooper who is the real victim here. Take your own advice and look in the mirror, my guess is you won't like what you see staring back at you.

It appears as though your attitude and that of the dealer go hand in hand, hence the reason they are getting hammered in the court of public opinion.

I bet if this same thing were to happen to one of your prized possessions you'd set a decibel record for how loud you whine....

PQ · 01-12-2014, 04:22 PM

Unless something changed overnight I think the dealer would like some time to get it right without taking too much of a loss. And I am fine with that. They make an offer, the OP agrees or disagrees. Simple as that.

Of course if they were smart they'd have put this to bed one way or another before this.

I am not in 'defense' of the dealer at all. Very much in defense of the OP. But I doubt this dealer is as villainous as it's being made out. Stupid? Maybe...... Evil? Uh... no.

And again, I don't think anyone has said the dealer has ZERO liability in this. Only that their liability should be for the value of the car. After that it's only good business to go above and beyond to make the OP happy.

I wonder if this dealership is any kin to Savini Wheel Company?

Paveltolz · 01-12-2014, 04:25 PM

Linked in to this thread from The Truck Stop (diesel forum) Friday afternoon and have read about every post.

Had to join up just to add my best wishes. I'll not add to the back an forth other than to say I'm pleased to see so much support for JHoop and agree, the business should have stepped up for their own good.
An example if I may. I worked with a local tranny shop and they did a great job on my rebuild. Later, I ordered a replacement front differential. It came in and wasn't correct so they sent it back. The next one came in only with the wrong gearing and none of us caught it until after I had installed it (no documentation to alert us otherwise). The shop owner told me, "We will make it right and it won't cost you anything." They even swapped it out at no charge even though I offered to pay the labor. Only thing they accepted was full responsibility and my sincere thanks.

Anyhoo, Mr. Hooper, you've got the support our forum members, FWIW, as many of us are Camaro fans too (we had one member drop a 6.5 Diesel in his, sacrilege I know but still).

The pseudo Face Book page is a riot as well.

Certainly hoping GM, the "Black SUV" and others come through for you.

PQ · 01-12-2014, 04:32 PM

I know I won't be hiring unless I'm just so busy it starts to hurt business. More for me to keep anyway.

TannerJPowell · 01-12-2014, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paveltolz

Linked in to this thread from The Truck Stop (diesel forum) Friday afternoon and have read about every post.

Had to join up just to add my best wishes. I'll not add to the back an forth other than to say I'm pleased to see so much support for JHoop and agree, the business should have stepped up for their own good.
An example if I may. I worked with a local tranny shop and they did a great job on my rebuild. Later, I ordered a replacement front differential. It came in and wasn't correct so they sent it back. The next one came in only with the wrong gearing and none of us caught it until after I had installed it (no documentation to alert us otherwise). The shop owner told me, "We will make it right and it won't cost you anything." They even swapped it out at no charge even though I offered to pay the labor. Only thing they accepted was full responsibility and my sincere thanks.

Anyhoo, Mr. Hooper, you've got the support our forum members, FWIW, as many of us are Camaro fans too (we had one member drop a 6.5 Diesel in his, sacrilege I know but still).

The pseudo Face Book page is a riot as well.

Certainly hoping GM, the "Black SUV" and others come through for you.

Welcome to the forum Paul!

garycondren · 01-12-2014, 04:54 PM

If the dealer had any common sense, it would quickly make things right before this story causes more damage to the company's reputation. Unfortunately, the dealer doesn't seem to have any common sense. It might be costly to make things right with you, but the cost in lost goodwill is probably going to be much larger.

I agree with the poster who expressed his opinion that the dealer might be taking directions from an attorney. Attorneys typically advise clients against admitting fault. It might help the dealer in court, but it won't help them in the court of public opinion.

This dealer got more publicity than if it had invested in Super Bowl advertisements. It's too bad for them that it's NEGATIVE publicity.

*mlee* · 01-12-2014, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ

Unless something changed overnight I think the dealer would like some time to get it right without taking too much of a loss. And I am fine with that. They make an offer, the OP agrees or disagrees. Simple as that.

Of course if they were smart they'd have put this to bed one way or another before this.

I am not in 'defense' of the dealer at all. Very much in defense of the OP. But I doubt this dealer is as villainous as it's being made out. Stupid? Maybe...... Evil? Uh... no.

And again, I don't think anyone has said the dealer has ZERO liability in this. Only that their liability should be for the value of the car. After that it's only good business to go above and beyond to make the OP happy.

I wonder if this dealership is any kin to Savini Wheel Company?

No, but they certainly attended the Savini School of Business..

McCarthy · 01-12-2014, 05:01 PM

Hey everyone, i'll start off by saying i'm not a Camaro owner, quite the contrary actually... (Mustang owner) however i just wanted to let everyone know putting aside our brand loyalty this story has made its rounds in the Mustang community, and all of us as car guys over on the Mustang forums want to wish the OP the best of luck! Just isn't right to screw a customer and fellow car guy over like that no matter if he happened to own a Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, BMW, Nissan etc... You have our support Mr. Hooper!

chubsworth · 01-12-2014, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCarthy

Hey everyone, i'll start off by saying i'm not a Camaro owner, quite the contrary actually... (Mustang owner) however i just wanted to let everyone know putting aside our brand loyalty this story has made its rounds in the Mustang community, and all of us as car guys over on the Mustang forums want to wish the OP the best of luck! Just isn't right to screw a customer and fellow car guy over like that no matter if he happened to own a Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, BMW, Nissan etc... You have our support Mr. Hooper!

Class act ^^

nyrfan · 01-12-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chubsworth

Class act ^^

Word! I'd like to think the Camaro community would do the same.

Sent from my AGM, 2SS/RS

01-12-2014, 03:53 PM	#1052
Banshee Institutionally Insane Drives: 2013 IOM 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Detroit MI Posts: 2,115 View My Garage	Lets look at this differently.... I believe the dealership and insurance company of the dealership is treating this as if an unknown entity broke into the dealership, took the keys, destroyed the car. A. The dealership would ONLY be suing the thief for the damage for the building and have absolutely NO responsibility for the theft and damage to the ZL1. B. The owner (OP) insurance company handles the claim and ensuing lawsuit against the thief who broke into the dealership and stole the car. C. The dealership has no responsibility to rectify anything for the ZL1 damage. D. The OP insurance company has the responsibility to make the OP whole as best they can and NOT the dealership. HOWEVER!!!!! Since the theft...and this IS a theft, the dealership is 100% responsible for all damage and to make the OP whole by any and all means up to and including breech of contract and merchant ability. My house burns down accidentally, my house gets rebuilt better than it was before if that is how I want it. HOWEVER, if I contract someone to burn my house down, he gets caught, I get implicated, I am ass-out. Catch my drift? __________________ It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?

01-12-2014, 04:10 PM	#1054
BSX_Camaro Unleash the Beast! Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 521 View My Garage	The funny part of the arguments "in defense" of the dealer aren't seeing the true picture. The employee "DIDN'T" break into the dealership. He was given access. Without the access the crime wouldn't have happened in the first place. He didn't pick a lock or break a window. THAT is the point where the dealer needs to accept the responsibility. Taking the car off lot wasn't approved as they mention over and over again but the access to commit the crime WAS approved. Do I expect the dealer to "give" him a new 2014 ZL1? No, but their current offer is a joke. To make it right, they need to give the OP equivalent or better than what he had. IF that means a 14 ZL1, so be it. But the only opinion that matters is the OPs. I for one would expect more than the current offer as well. The current offer shows that the dealer isn't accepting responsibility of their ex-employee's actions as a representative of their dealership WITH ACCESS to commit the crime in the first place. __________________ Summit White 2SS delivered 12-11-2015

01-12-2014, 04:22 PM	#1056
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	Unless something changed overnight I think the dealer would like some time to get it right without taking too much of a loss. And I am fine with that. They make an offer, the OP agrees or disagrees. Simple as that. Of course if they were smart they'd have put this to bed one way or another before this. I am not in 'defense' of the dealer at all. Very much in defense of the OP. But I doubt this dealer is as villainous as it's being made out. Stupid? Maybe...... Evil? Uh... no. And again, I don't think anyone has said the dealer has ZERO liability in this. Only that their liability should be for the value of the car. After that it's only good business to go above and beyond to make the OP happy. I wonder if this dealership is any kin to Savini Wheel Company? __________________

01-12-2014, 04:32 PM	#1058
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	I know I won't be hiring unless I'm just so busy it starts to hurt business. More for me to keep anyway. __________________

01-12-2014, 04:04 PM	#1053
Rarerat Drives: 69 Z/28, 68 SSRS 396,68 Camaro Vert Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: NM Posts: 1	Another new member brought here by this thread, I sincerely hope GM steps up with the ZL-1 of your choice Mr Hooper.

01-12-2014, 04:25 PM	#1057
Paveltolz Drives: 1996 Chevy K1500 Silverado Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Utah Posts: 2	Linked in to this thread from The Truck Stop (diesel forum) Friday afternoon and have read about every post. Had to join up just to add my best wishes. I'll not add to the back an forth other than to say I'm pleased to see so much support for JHoop and agree, the business should have stepped up for their own good. An example if I may. I worked with a local tranny shop and they did a great job on my rebuild. Later, I ordered a replacement front differential. It came in and wasn't correct so they sent it back. The next one came in only with the wrong gearing and none of us caught it until after I had installed it (no documentation to alert us otherwise). The shop owner told me, "We will make it right and it won't cost you anything." They even swapped it out at no charge even though I offered to pay the labor. Only thing they accepted was full responsibility and my sincere thanks. Anyhoo, Mr. Hooper, you've got the support our forum members, FWIW, as many of us are Camaro fans too (we had one member drop a 6.5 Diesel in his, sacrilege I know but still). The pseudo Face Book page is a riot as well. Certainly hoping GM, the "Black SUV" and others come through for you.

01-12-2014, 04:54 PM	#1060
garycondren Drives: Tata Nano Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Washington State Posts: 1	If the dealer had any common sense, it would quickly make things right before this story causes more damage to the company's reputation. Unfortunately, the dealer doesn't seem to have any common sense. It might be costly to make things right with you, but the cost in lost goodwill is probably going to be much larger. I agree with the poster who expressed his opinion that the dealer might be taking directions from an attorney. Attorneys typically advise clients against admitting fault. It might help the dealer in court, but it won't help them in the court of public opinion. This dealer got more publicity than if it had invested in Super Bowl advertisements. It's too bad for them that it's NEGATIVE publicity.

01-12-2014, 05:01 PM	#1062
McCarthy Drives: 2014 Mustang Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 7	Hey everyone, i'll start off by saying i'm not a Camaro owner, quite the contrary actually... (Mustang owner) however i just wanted to let everyone know putting aside our brand loyalty this story has made its rounds in the Mustang community, and all of us as car guys over on the Mustang forums want to wish the OP the best of luck! Just isn't right to screw a customer and fellow car guy over like that no matter if he happened to own a Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, BMW, Nissan etc... You have our support Mr. Hooper!