Camaro ZL1 Laps Nurburgring in 7:41.27. Enters Supercar Territory!!

[Fleet1]

Originally Posted by radz28

Why does that matter? What business is it of yours?

By asking those questions, I am confident you will not understand.

[Shurenuff]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

No, just the Z06. ZR1 is up at the top of the list, way above the ZL1.

Originally Posted by Ltdodge

no...to both

9. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 7:19.63 169 '08 647 / 1530 General Motors
11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 7:22.68 168 '11 512 / 1394 General Motors
2012 Camaro ZL1 7:41.27

I know a lot of people looking at this thread are going to raise an eyebrow with my post, but when this news was hot off the presses Tran posted different times for the C6 ZL1 and Z06. They were both listed a tick behind the new ZL1 time. The times posted have since been corrected with the most up to date numbers.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Shurenuff

I know a lot of people looking at this thread are going to raise an eyebrow with my post, but when this news was hot off the presses Tran posted different times for the C6 ZL1 and Z06. They were both listed a tick behind the new ZL1 time. The times posted have since been corrected with the most up to date numbers.

Maybe go back and correct your original post's so people quit bugging ya

[Blue Maro Demon]

From what I am reading from Ford the new 2013 Shelby GT500 is going to have the 5.8 liter engine and will have 600hp which is 20 more than the ZL1. I'm hoping that Ford STILL has a pathetic suspension on the GT500 like they always have because if they havent changed that and STILL can't put the power to the ground that extra 20hp wont do them much good they will still be seeing the 2012 Camaro ZL1's tail lights! I think that the ZL1's Gen3 Magnetic Ride Suspension and its PTM Traction Management will be the difference factor to put it ahead of the Shelby GT500.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by robertway

SHAKE AND BAKE!!!!!!!!!

Now I can tell my wife "but it lapped The Ring" in 7:41" and she'll be like "why didn't you say so, sure we have four little kids and it snows a lot here in the Northeast during the winter, but since it can lap Th Ring in a time like that, lets trade in the minivan and get two".....

Way to go GM!!!

Either she's a wonderful woman..........

........ or a sarcastic *****

Originally Posted by Fleet1

Now let me see how many owners will even come close to driving the ZL1 to it's limits.

Probably close to the same number of drivers who take any other sporty car to it's limits. If you do, congratulations.

Originally Posted by Fleet1

By asking those questions, I am confident you will not understand.

With all due respect, now you're just getting argumentative... with no argument to defend. Answer the mans questions.

[karr1008]

Originally Posted by hv92

HOLY SHIT. IT BEAT THE DAMN GTR? WOW. I AM SPEECHLESS.

Um, which GT-R you talk about?
both the regular and Spec-V are way ahead.

Nissan GT-R 7:26.70 166 '08 479 / 1740 Toshio Suzuki

Nissan GT-R Spec-V 7:34.46 163 '09 492 / 1680 Best Motoring

[RLHMARINES]

I just looked at a close up of the ZL1 pics taken in cali that did the run on the "ring" and it is indeed the goodyear F1 tires and not the ultra sticky optional tires.

So now we know the car that ran the 7:41 time was:
1. A 6 speed manual car, so the auto should be a little quicker due to the CTS-V's auto being similarly faster than it's manual equipped car on the ring run and 1/4.

2. It was equipped with the goodyear F1 tires, so the ultra sticky optional tires will net improved results.

3. It was also carrying Mark Reuss as a passenger at the time, if I read this correctly in one of the press blogs, correct me if I am wrong.

[htron50]

Crowley... thanks for all the work you did to get the Ring videos posted.. quite nice to peruse!! Thanks sir!!

[REAPER SS]

amazing feat for GM but my guess is, it will be 53-55k

[htron50]

Confucious Say:

Man Who Go Round With Ultra Grin

May Have New Wallet Called Ultra Thin

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

actually, most buyers in the Pony Car segment don't give a rat's patooty about performance - be it 1/4 mile times or track times. They are looking for a car that has head turning style and is fun to drive coupled with affordability.

Yep.
But the performance is a plus.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

actually, most buyers in the Pony Car segment don't give a rat's patooty about performance - be it 1/4 mile times or track times. They are looking for a car that has head turning style and is fun to drive coupled with affordability.

Maybe we should all acknowledge that the goal of this vehicle was not just targeting the Brand X 500. It is actually attempting to draw in potential customers from other brands. Thus the cost needs to follow suit....

[2010SSRSM6]

Impressive feat for sure. Looking at the list of times, this car is going to be a beast on any track the driver can throw at it. Awesome!

There aren't too many people that can work a car around a 14 mile track at speeds like the pro's do, so I can't see but 1-2% of the cars being pushed to their limits. I'm sure the drivers will push way past THEIR limits, but nowhere near the cars limits. I drive the hell out of my car, but I'm nowhere near skilled enough to reach the limits of my SS. I've seen what my car can do in the hands of a pro, and I don't do it justice, but it doesn't keep me from trying.

There is no way this car will be under $55k. It has way too many features to be priced along side the dead horse. The CTS-V is about where this car will come inline as far as pricing goes. The Caddy will get a price bump just like the ZL1 is going to have to get. If it comes in under $60k, I'd be shocked. I'm betting it will be in the $62-64K range.

Everyone is always quick to throw out the "you've got to pay to play" line when someone mods the hell out of their car and takes it to the track, GM is no exception. If you want the best Camaro ever built, it's going to cost you. They don't have to price it so everyone can afford it, they have to price it so it is affordable to those that want the best Camaro available.

Look at the price increases the Corvettes have had over the last few years. When I got my Camaro in '09, I could have picked up a "lot" Vette for $4k (GMS priced) more than I paid for my loaded 2SS that I ordered @ MSRP. You can't touch a Vette now for anywhere near that price. Everything is getting more expensive (except the houses that were bought when the market was inflated), and this car will be no exception.

I think the success the ZR1 has had will be exceeded by the ZL1.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

actually, most buyers in the Pony Car segment don't give a rat's patooty about performance - be it 1/4 mile times or track times. They are looking for a car that has head turning style and is fun to drive coupled with affordability.

Really? That surprises me, as most of the Pony Car enthusiasts with whom I've come into contact over the years (I admit it's my own anecdotal evidence, and I don't have any concrete marketing data) have always been concerned with 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.