New Camaro Recall - Ignition Switch System / Key Fob

[10 2SS/RS 6M]

Originally Posted by satxrider

I don't agree with the fix but this isn't just a Camaro or Chevy issue. Every car I've ever driven can be turned off while driving if you try hard enough. I'm sure a better solution can be devised for all manufacturers, that will prevent a vehicle from being turned off if that vehicle is in motion.



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Agreed!
There should be a device that detects that. It shouldn't be to hard with all the technology today.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by satxrider

I don't agree with the fix but this isn't just a Camaro or Chevy issue. Every car I've ever driven can be turned off while driving if you try hard enough. I'm sure a better solution can be devised for all manufacturers, that will prevent a vehicle from being turned off if that vehicle is in motion.

Toyota/Lexus almost managed to accomplish that.

But whether inability to shut off the ignition of a moving vehicle is a better solution than letting it be too easy is seriously open to question.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by 10 2SS/RS 6M

There should be a device that detects that. It shouldn't be to hard with all the technology today.

Wrong answer. See above post and know that there are several cases on record where the ability to more readily shut the engine off would have been preferable. Greatly preferable in at least a few.

The solution needs to be inherent in the switches' mechanical design, with their location or orientation, or some combination of all three. Introducing more technology here simply adds more potential faults and unintended consequences. The new problem that you're making that you don't see now could be as bad as the one you're trying to solve . . . or maybe even worse.


Norm

[DarthZL1]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Wrong answer. See above post and know that there are several cases on record where the ability to more readily shut the engine off would have been preferable. Greatly preferable in at least a few.

The solution needs to be inherent in the switches' mechanical design, with their location or orientation, or some combination of all three. Introducing more technology here simply adds more potential faults and unintended consequences. The new problem that you're making that you don't see now could be as bad as the one you're trying to solve . . . or maybe even worse.


Norm

The technology to keep the air bag functioning while there is someone in the seat and the vehicle is moving (whether the ignition is on or not) is essentially already in the system (passenger seat), and would be a small change that would be easy to implement with very little added "technology".

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by DarthZL1

The technology to keep the air bag functioning while there is someone in the seat and the vehicle is moving (whether the ignition is on or not) is essentially already in the system (passenger seat), and would be a small change that would be easy to implement with very little added "technology".

For the sirbags, agreed. Off the top of my head, there's no reason I can think of to not ultimately hook it into a timed "keep-alive" circuit similar to what's already available for things like the radio and power window operation. Might not have to change anything at all beyond connecting the power to a different electrical point.


Norm

[Software Guy]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Ask them for a waiver. If you sign it you can get the car now with the old key.

They said they can't do that. I stopped today and while they ordered they keys, they have no ETA.

Screw GM.

[Angrybird 12]

I final got to talk to my agent about not having this recall done. As far as they know, there has never been an insurance claim denied because of a recall that was not performed. They said they didn't feel this recall was going to change that one bit.
I still say check with your insurance company first before deciding.

[Melkor]

I'm a little concerned as well that this won't actually fix anything as, if I can get my knee to hit the key (which, I can't), it'll still hit the key even if it's a smaller fob. Kinda weird.

Oh well. Still love driving my 1le, GM's just had a really rough go of it as of late. Made a few bad decisions as well as some bad designs. No car manufacturer is immune to it.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Melkor

I'm a little concerned as well that this won't actually fix anything as, if I can get my knee to hit the key (which, I can't), it'll still hit the key even if it's a smaller fob. Kinda weird.

Oh well. Still love driving my 1le, GM's just had a really rough go of it as of late. Made a few bad decisions as well as some bad designs. No car manufacturer is immune to it.

You will probably have a better chance to be struck by lightening or even winning the powerball lottery than to ever shut your car off with your knee by accident while driving.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Melkor

I'm a little concerned as well that this won't actually fix anything as, if I can get my knee to hit the key (which, I can't), it'll still hit the key even if it's a smaller fob.

So take the fob off the key ring . . .


Norm

[Melkor]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

You will probably have a better chance to be struck by lightening or even winning the powerball lottery than to ever shut your car off with your knee by accident while driving.

Probably very true. But, with all that's going on with GM right now, it's probably best to act on it.

[Melkor]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

So take the fob off the key ring . . .


Norm

I worded that poorly. I meant actually hitting the key, not the fob.

[jam_dntshake]

The solution for the recall. Seriously?...............

[LILRED85]

Yeah tell that to the people that stick too much shit on their key ring..