stock ss vs chrysler 300 srt8 vs 5.0?

[huitt06]

maybe just a slow car i raced but out of 3 pulls same outcome....guess i run another if i can find one...only one Ive ever seen in person!

[2SS45th]

SS for sure. Weight will kill the SRT-8, plus the five speed is a crummy tranny with slow shifts. It's out. As far as the 5.0, It's one live rear axle from being a contender. Won't get off the line hard from the wheel hop and subsequent loss of traction. Go get em.

[C5RocksC5]

strip = 5.0>300 Srt8>SS
5.0 = good power + weight advantage vs the other two
300 SRT8 = better power but weight disavantage vs the other two
SS = good power, weight disadvantage vs the 5.0

track
5.0>SS>300 SRT8

[SSGUNNER]

Originally Posted by pdari

strip = 5.0>300 Srt8>SS
5.0 = good power + weight advantage vs the other two
300 SRT8 = better power but weight disavantage vs the other two
SS = good power, weight disadvantage vs the 5.0

track
5.0>SS>300 SRT8

I concur.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2SS45th

SS for sure. Weight will kill the SRT-8, plus the five speed is a crummy tranny with slow shifts. It's out. As far as the 5.0, It's one live rear axle from being a contender. Won't get off the line hard from the wheel hop and subsequent loss of traction. Go get em.

Originally Posted by pdari

strip = 5.0>300 Srt8>SS
5.0 = good power + weight advantage vs the other two
300 SRT8 = better power but weight disavantage vs the other two
SS = good power, weight disadvantage vs the 5.0

track
5.0>SS>300 SRT8

Originally Posted by SSGUNNER

I concur.

you all may want to do some research on the SRT8, the transmissions were heavily retuned and the same transmissions that have received praise in various AMG products and were in the SLR MClaren....... The power is much higher and the power band is much flatter. the MPH they pull in the 1/4 mile is considerably higher than the SS, and equal to or better than the 5.0. The 300 is only around 100 pounds heavier than a challenger and they have run multiple 12.2s in multiple cars, give it a .2 second advantage over the 300 because of the weight and you still have a car capable of 12.4s, quicker than ANY stock SS and as quick as the quickest 5.0. I can see maybe saying the 5.0=SRT8, but saying the SS is quicker than the SRT8 has me ROFLMAO!!!! Take the blinders off, in the race the SS is last place with equal drivers.

As far as on the track, who will really be taking a 4 door luxury car to track days, so who cares and what i understand the question was about straightline anyways......

[vroomapunk]

Originally Posted by Deki

Agree. SRT8> 5.0>SS with the 5.0 and the SS being a closer race for each other than the SRT8.

Originally Posted by scrming

2012 300 SRT8 data sheet:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...QJek88jB9PtYoA

Rated at 12.9 in the 1/4... means the typical guy at a typical test and tune at a typical track will probably be low to mid 13s..

I dont know who to believe, these are usually reliable guys in the VS. section lol

[big hammer]

there is a vid on you tube of a stock '13 ls3 running over a stock new 5.0 pretty hard.

[GEEo]

5.0 would win

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Originally Posted by Deki

Agree. SRT8> 5.0>SS with the 5.0 and the SS being a closer race for each other than the SRT8.

I'll co-sign this.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by big hammer

there is a vid on you tube of a stock '13 ls3 running over a stock new 5.0 pretty hard.

I've seen that video, white 1SS vs auto 5.0? Beating it by 1 car is not running it over "pretty hard". At the end of that vid when the 5.0 jumps on the 2nd honk, the SS couldn't reel him in up to 115mph...once again proving...5th gen vs. 5.0 = drivers race. New 300 SRT8 traps higher than both of those cars, and equally driven I think the SRT8 would beat both of them. Challengers are not much lighter and those have dipped into bottom 12 stock, down to the tire.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Deki

I've seen that video, white 1SS vs auto 5.0? Beating it by 1 car is not running it over "pretty hard". At the end of that vid when the 5.0 jumps on the 2nd honk, the SS couldn't reel him in up to 115mph...once again proving...5th gen vs. 5.0 = drivers race. New 300 SRT8 traps higher than both of those cars, and equally driven I think the SRT8 would beat both of them. Challengers are not much lighter and those have dipped into bottom 12 stock, down to the tire.

no. it ran over it pretty hard. especially considering how the 5.0 supposedly mops the floor with the ss.

the 5.0 gets the jump every time, and the ls3 quickly reels it in.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by big hammer

no. it ran over it pretty hard. especially considering how the 5.0 supposedly mops the floor with the ss.

the 5.0 gets the jump every time, and the ls3 quickly reels it in.

This video?



Ok. You concluded this by seeing the video on a GoPro mounted facing forward? Looked to me like the GT just fell back a car and stayed there. In the last part of the video, the GT got the jump, and the mighty LS3 couldn't reel it back in, although it did make up some ground. I guess in your world 1 car length is "ran over it pretty hard"....to most of us, not so much.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Deki

This video?



Ok. You concluded this by seeing the video on a GoPro mounted facing forward? Looked to me like the GT just fell back a car and stayed there. In the last part of the video, the GT got the jump, and the mighty LS3 couldn't reel it back in, although it did make up some ground. I guess in your world 1 car length is "ran over it pretty hard"....to most of us, not so much.

why are you so mad? when the race was fair, the ss ran over the gt HARD. when the gt jumped by over a second the ss still made up ground. hardly anything to get so angry about.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by Deki

This video?

Ok. You concluded this by seeing the video on a GoPro mounted facing forward? Looked to me like the GT just fell back a car and stayed there. In the last part of the video, the GT got the jump, and the mighty LS3 couldn't reel it back in, although it did make up some ground. I guess in your world 1 car length is "ran over it pretty hard"....to most of us, not so much.

Which is why i run TWO GoPros! LOL!

[Deki]

Originally Posted by big hammer

why are you so mad? when the race was fair, the ss ran over the gt HARD. when the gt jumped by over a second the ss still made up ground. hardly anything to get so angry about.

I'm not mad, we just have different opinions of what "run over hard" is. 1 car length, in my world, not a huge win. And when the GT jumped the honk the SS made up about a car. Results are not surpirising.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Deki

I'm not mad, we just have different opinions of what "run over hard" is. 1 car length, in my world, not a huge win. And when the GT jumped the honk the SS made up about a car. Results are not surpirising.

you're assuming 1 car. and the gt took the hit everytime, but the ss quickly reeled it in. hard.

i'm shocked too, but it is what it is.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by big hammer

you're assuming 1 car. and the gt took the hit everytime, but the ss quickly reeled it in. hard.

i'm shocked too, but it is what it is.

They hit it at the same time, except for at the end where the GT jumped on the 2nd honk. I'm not surprised a stock LS3 pulled a stock auto GT, and I don't think anyone should be. Especially not from a roll. It's hard to have a roll race with an auto vs. manual, since the auto has to compensate for the kick down. That's what it looks like the GT is doing.

[Bad70supreme]

No kick down in a auto if you know what your doing! Actually the kick down helps if you can time it right, with my old autos you hold 1 gear up, then down shift and peddle to the floor...that kick down is a hard ass launch from a roll. There is always an excuse, both cars are very even and results will very from car to car...END OF STORY!

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Deki

They hit it at the same time, except for at the end where the GT jumped on the 2nd honk. I'm not surprised a stock LS3 pulled a stock auto GT, and I don't think anyone should be. Especially not from a roll. It's hard to have a roll race with an auto vs. manual, since the auto has to compensate for the kick down. That's what it looks like the GT is doing.

the first race was the closest. on the second race the gt got the hit and pulled almost a length, then the ss ran over it hard. the 3rd race the gt jumped on the second honk.

it's not hard to roll race an auto if you aren't an idiot. all you have to do is manually shift it down to the proper gear-- which this guy was obviously doing. also the ford auto has some wicked gear ratios for racing. the auto vs manual argument is moot in this case.

[MikeLA2011ss]

Stock vs stock. BORINGGG. Listen bottom line a LS motor is one of the easiest to work on, strongest and most basic setup. If your start doing mods to your ls3/l99 you will blow away a 300 or a 5.0. Trust me I know ( work by Lethal Racing)

[MikeLA2011ss]

Originally Posted by big hammer

the first race was the closest. on the second race the gt got the hit and pulled almost a length, then the ss ran over it hard. the 3rd race the gt jumped on the second honk.

it's not hard to roll race an auto if you aren't an idiot. all you have to do is manually shift it down to the proper gear-- which this guy was obviously doing. also the ford auto has some wicked gear ratios for racing. the auto vs manual argument is moot in this case.

If I had an automatic I would not subject going manual at all unless from a dig, if you are at a roll just kick down gears while in automatic so you can use the speed of the next shift in auto mode ( kick down= kick ur gas and ur gear will drop with each kick, once at desired gear smash on it)

[K32 Camaro]

Originally Posted by huitt06

I have an L99 and raced a an 08' 300 srt8...from a roll by the time you hit 50 its c'ya....300 is a dog....almost like it gives out...pulled over a length by 70 and still widening the gap...still waiting on 5.0 matchup

It had a power bump in 2010/2011. It would lay waste to the ss and 5.0. (Exaggeration), being an auto guaratees that it will get there too.

300>5.0>SS
Simple but sad..

[suzbndt]

I own 11' 5.0 and a 10 SS manual.

stock the 5.0 wins every where. At the strip the srt8 is a drivers race. At the track srt8 isnt in the same league as the other two.

My SS took to being modded extremely well. BMR suspension picked up .5 sec in the 1/8 alone. Tires picked up another .2 now waiting for another trip to see how much difference 100 extra rear wheel horsepower will help.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by suzbndt

I own 11' 5.0 and a 10 SS manual.

stock the 5.0 wins every where. At the strip the srt8 is a drivers race. At the track srt8 isnt in the same league as the other two.

My SS took to being modded extremely well. BMR suspension picked up .5 sec in the 1/8 alone. Tires picked up another .2 now waiting for another trip to see how much difference 100 extra rear wheel horsepower will help.

Research is your friend. 11 and newer arts run the new 392 he I that is closer to the Zl1 in the quarter mile than the SS and 5.0 when equipped with the 5 speed auto, never mind when they get new 8 speed auto for this 14 model year. Best stock times are in the 12.2 range and has been repeated by multiple cars, not just one......... also on handling it is a drivers race with the ss .