WTF "The Sequel": Lifters and Cam damage...again - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Rhino79 · 05-26-2013, 07:58 PM

Very true on the lsk lobes!

badassracing · 05-26-2013, 08:05 PM

I gotta ask...are you running an air filter? That pic of the throttle blade looks like it has been hit by debris coming through the intake tract or something. They don"t look like they are from porting.

Supercharged SS · 05-26-2013, 08:14 PM

Not the first problem for this shop. All shops will have shit happen. It's how they deal with it is what's important. Using that tb is a scumbag move though. Gd luck in getting it back together.

casper sc/1ss/rs · 05-26-2013, 08:20 PM

If was I you I would NOT even consider NOT doing complete rebuild on that engine, I don't even know what could cause the lifter to do that because the ls3 can take pretty high lift so I dont think you had a clearance problem, unless the cam was cut wrong but if that was the case you would have heard that on the first start up, but the plugs also look like they were burning lean but I couldn't really tell from the pics but one thing is for sure, that cam and lifter got really hot from something do you have any pics of the cam?

rberns · 05-26-2013, 08:21 PM

Wow, good luck and hope they make it right with you.

Stevew · 05-26-2013, 08:23 PM

As much stuff that you have had fail in the engine there is no telling how much metal you have rattling around in there. Any metal can cause things to fail. Harden metal like cams even more so. I would be looking to put a crate motor in the car.

BLACK10 · 05-26-2013, 08:41 PM

this motor needs a full teardown, as it should have had with an oil pump failure.

if the lifters are that hard to remove, the block may be damaged

VADER SS L99 · 05-26-2013, 09:05 PM

If you want my opinion I think your lifter bores probably got damaged the first time and is why your motor is in the mess that its in. I feel for ya because I'm in the same boat. Motor developed a lifter tick and within seconds a rod bearing failure. I will not be using my original block no mater if someone thinks the lifter bores can be fixed. I also will never use a LSX lobed cam again and will never use Mobil 1 again even if that was not the cause no mater what my builder recommends..

Ravener · 05-26-2013, 09:06 PM

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Op, how many miles since this cam and lifter repair was done?

Less than 1500 miles.

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I gotta ask...are you running an air filter? That pic of the throttle blade looks like it has been hit by debris coming through the intake tract or something. They don"t look like they are from porting.

Yes, I use a Vararam.

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If was I you I would NOT even consider NOT doing complete rebuild on that engine, I don't even know what could cause the lifter to do that because the ls3 can take pretty high lift so I don't think you had a clearance problem, unless the cam was cut wrong but if that was the case you would have heard that on the first start up, but the plugs also look like they were burning lean but I couldn't really tell from the pics but one thing is for sure, that cam and lifter got really hot from something do you have any pics of the cam?

My concern is the rapidly mounting costs at this point. I'm dreading a massive bill, especially given my last two experiences (expensive ones at that obviously). I don't have pics of the cam yet as I stopped after removing the heads/lifters. My next step is probably getting it towed to another shop nearby and saying "HELP!"

Anyone feeling confident is throwing out some $ estimates for what I may be looking at?

jrpimp00 · 05-26-2013, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravener

Less than 1500 miles.

Yes, I use a Vararam.

My concern is the rapidly mounting costs at this point. I'm dreading a massive bill, especially given my last two experiences (expensive ones at that obviously). I don't have pics of the cam yet as I stopped after removing the heads/lifters. My next step is probably getting it towed to another shop nearby and saying "HELP!"

Anyone feeling confident is throwing out some $ estimates for what I may be looking at?

Free, make the builder buy you a new motor..

litle88 · 05-26-2013, 11:25 PM

I remember the OP's first thread and it was total BS! I really feel for ya bud, I gotta ask what does your valve train consist of bud! Tell me your whole set up pleas. I think you might be using the wrong parts, just throwing it out there.

RBL · 05-27-2013, 01:17 AM

A quick search shows this shop is no stranger to problems.

TheHorse13 · 05-27-2013, 07:55 AM

The throttle body blade looks like it was media blasted. What a nightmare.

2010SLVRBULIT · 05-27-2013, 08:15 AM

by the time & $ to fix this mess, better to get a new motor.

05-26-2013, 08:21 PM	#19
rberns Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,291 View My Garage	Wow, good luck and hope they make it right with you. __________________ 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS, Circle D 3200, ADM Transmission Cooler, BTR Valvetrain, Cam Motion .621 .595 228/244 113+4, ARH 1 7/8 full exhaust, Cold Air Inductions, Katech C5R TC, Melling HV, BTR SLR lifters, Trunion Upgrade, LS2 Dampner, LS9 head gaskets, Bo White PTB, MM can, GFX, Subs, B&M Deep transmission pan, Holley fuel rail, Proform valve covers, relocated coil packs

05-26-2013, 09:05 PM	#22
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	If you want my opinion I think your lifter bores probably got damaged the first time and is why your motor is in the mess that its in. I feel for ya because I'm in the same boat. Motor developed a lifter tick and within seconds a rod bearing failure. I will not be using my original block no mater if someone thinks the lifter bores can be fixed. I also will never use a LSX lobed cam again and will never use Mobil 1 again even if that was not the cause no mater what my builder recommends.. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

05-26-2013, 11:25 PM	#25
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	I remember the OP's first thread and it was total BS! I really feel for ya bud, I gotta ask what does your valve train consist of bud! Tell me your whole set up pleas. I think you might be using the wrong parts, just throwing it out there. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

05-27-2013, 01:17 AM	#26
RBL Drives: 2010 camaro 2SS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: WV Posts: 400	A quick search shows this shop is no stranger to problems. __________________ www.lashwaymotorsports.com 2012 L99, whipple, Roto-Fab, Stainless Power headers, ZL1 fuel pump, cat delete.

05-26-2013, 07:58 PM	#15
Rhino79 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99/Auto Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 2,827 View My Garage	Very true on the lsk lobes!

05-26-2013, 08:05 PM	#16
badassracing Drives: Mini Van Join Date: May 2013 Location: PA Posts: 6	I gotta ask...are you running an air filter? That pic of the throttle blade looks like it has been hit by debris coming through the intake tract or something. They don"t look like they are from porting.

05-26-2013, 08:14 PM	#17
Supercharged SS Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 11,927	Not the first problem for this shop. All shops will have shit happen. It's how they deal with it is what's important. Using that tb is a scumbag move though. Gd luck in getting it back together.

05-26-2013, 08:20 PM	#18
casper sc/1ss/rs Drives: 2011 camaro ss vortech supercharged Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: marion VA. Posts: 524 View My Garage	If was I you I would NOT even consider NOT doing complete rebuild on that engine, I don't even know what could cause the lifter to do that because the ls3 can take pretty high lift so I dont think you had a clearance problem, unless the cam was cut wrong but if that was the case you would have heard that on the first start up, but the plugs also look like they were burning lean but I couldn't really tell from the pics but one thing is for sure, that cam and lifter got really hot from something do you have any pics of the cam?

05-26-2013, 08:23 PM	#20
Stevew Stevew Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS and 2012 Corvette Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mississippi Posts: 34	As much stuff that you have had fail in the engine there is no telling how much metal you have rattling around in there. Any metal can cause things to fail. Harden metal like cams even more so. I would be looking to put a crate motor in the car.

05-26-2013, 08:41 PM	#21
BLACK10 Drives: 2010 CAMARO. 10.04@133mph, 1.4 60' Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 4,585	this motor needs a full teardown, as it should have had with an oil pump failure. if the lifters are that hard to remove, the block may be damaged

05-27-2013, 07:55 AM	#27
TheHorse13 Drives: 2011 Black SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Harpers Ferry, WV Posts: 1,116	The throttle body blade looks like it was media blasted. What a nightmare.

05-27-2013, 08:15 AM	#28
2010SLVRBULIT Drives: G5(LLT) & C6(LS3) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MARS Posts: 7,527 View My Garage	by the time & $ to fix this mess, better to get a new motor.