11-26-2013, 09:09 PM | #211 |
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Lol at the idea Ford did this but kept it quiet. Lololol.
Really?
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11-26-2013, 09:39 PM | #212 | |
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Question- Greetings Jamal, How are you? As I'm sure you're aware we've been busy the GT500 Nürburgring lap video that the media group included among the other track runs. I was wondering if you could shed some light on why Ford chose to not release an official 'Ring time for the 2013/14 GT500? Thanks, Travis Reply- Ring times! Oh man don't even get me started on this topic. Our (my) view is that there is no such thing as an official manufacturer Ring time. The times being posted by many manufacturers are in my humble opinion akin to qualifying times being set at a race with no pre/post inspection (ie it would never happen). In the racing world - inspection/verification is a key part of the sport. In order for us to set an "official" time corner weights would have to be taken, calibration checksums need to be verified, engine power verified via chassis rolls, a hoist inspection, and probably a fuel sample taken by an independent 3rd party like a governing/sanctioning body. I would love to see this since everyone seems to be infatuated with Ring times. Having said that, I think it's really important that performance cars be judged against one another on the track - but the comparisons really need to be on the same day by a professional driver (just track condition from day to day puts another huge variable in comparisons). We have seen lap time spreads of over 3 sec with same car same driver different day at VIR. Now extrapolate that to a track with a 7 min lap time. Motor Trend collects cars on the same day and puts a professional driver behind the wheel - not journalists whose driving ability puts yet another huge variable in lap times - and compares vehicles same driver same day. I think they do it correctly. So does Auto Motor und Sport in Germany. The reason we test at the Ring is because it is a fantastic venue for doing vehicle dynamics work. You get so much different content in terms of turns, elevation, etc that you would need to visit 5 different tracks to duplicate it. It's also a chance for our North American vehicle dynamics guys to cross pollinate with our Team RS guys since we are all one group now. Team RS gets a chance to offer feedback on the RWD cars and the SVT guys offer perspective on the FWD cars. That's really powerful and worth spending the money to send cars and engineers over there. Renting the Ring exclusively ($$$$$!) to make a video - not so much. I'd rather put that money into the car. I know this isn't what the internet bench racers want to hear. As soon as there is a standard for measuring lap times - our performance vehicles will be the first in line to get tested. Until then - it's just marketing and a total free for all. They are very cool to watch though. Lol. The 2013/2014 GT500 sold just fine without a published Ring time (who could have imagined!). Actually we spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to make more GT500s due to high demand. I've seen other performance cars with published Ring times being offered with incentives and cash on the hood (again - who could have imagined!). So I sleep pretty well at night. And spend my days (and nights) working on the next slayer vs. worrying about Ring times. Hopefully this gives you some perspective on where our minds are at wrt Ring times. See you at SEMA! Jamal
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Ford hasn't engaged in the Pissing Contest.
Clearly means they suck. It's clear to see why Ford has no need to release times. They let the vehicles speak for themselves. (yes, even the wood axle over powered piece of shit that can't make a turn to save it's own life)
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What was the Camaro running in 05? Oh right.. Kudos to them for keeping it selling well for so long against a platform 4 years newer... |
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11-27-2013, 07:54 PM | #217 | |
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Hopefully all the GT500 fans that were quick to flaunt the 'Ring video of the GT500 (ahem svtperformance) see where Jamal Hameedi is coming from too.
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11-28-2013, 03:13 PM | #218 | |
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Solid axle is better for handling? REALLY?! Name ONE manufacturer that continues to use this archaic system on a vehicle of such capabilities? Ferrari? Porsche? Lambo? Audi? BMW? Even the FORD GT was IRS...because it rode better... RIGHT! NASCAR, that paragon of leading-edge technology, insists on solid-axle architecture. And they'd be the ONLY non-production-based major motorsports body who does... Even Jamal is forced to move into the late-20th Century, this time around. |
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11-28-2013, 03:48 PM | #219 |
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Why not put an SAE-certified 662 hp engine in either a Z/28 or ZL1 and see how badly it beats a 7:39 time? That might make you say "Si!" to a ZL1...instead of pretending. BTW, with Danny Popp running LPE's L28 at the OUSCI Finals and finishing FIRST on the road course, don't you Ford folks find it suspicious that NO CURRENT MUSTANG was even remotely represented? GRIGGS or otherwise... And, of course, the Camaro's IRS had Danny's butt feeling most thankful. Things that make you go "hmmmmm"... Last edited by LOWDOWN; 11-28-2013 at 03:59 PM. |
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Good points, LD. Where are these all-conquering late-model Mustangs at the Optima Challenge? None to be found, not even Van. Come to think of it, no Challengers or Chargers either. A Cobra or two, with IRS. Oh wait. No 1/4 mile drags. But there's the Start-Stop Challenge. You're right, LD. Hmmmm. |
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A 1965 Corvette won this year. What a horrible example to compare technologies. No professional drivers and an enormous variance in modifications and power as well as tire choice. |
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Yes, that's right. Danny Popp in the LPE L28...FACT!! To quote Ford FanBoyz, "ol' FAT ASS"! Over your previously mentioned hot rodded '65 Vette, and a Cobra, and Mark Stielow, and...EVERYBODY ELSE. Weighing 3900 lbs! More than a GRIGGS-equipped ultra-boosted GT500 from the assembly line...which NO ONE has the guts to create. Why? Why waste their time?! http://www.optimabatteries.com/us/en...ficial-result/ Now, iirc, GRIGGS is an all-conquering aftermarket modification that would be totally acceptable at the Optima Challenge (individual qualifying events), or the new USCA and its National Series starting next year. How about some GT500s showing up, GRIGGS or no griggs, run by Van or any other nobody/somebody/ANYBODY? Van. Billy J. Jack Jr. ANYBODY!!!!! Apparently, other than 1/4 mile racing, all GT500s must be custom-ordered in YELLOW! Maybe Jamal will have some promotion budget left to see that a next-Gen IRS Mustang has a sporting chance against some real world streetable competition...or NOT! |
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