[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The specs I’ve been reading are up to 800 charges with 80% capacity remaining. I think this article says 500. So even at 200 mikes, hats 100,000 miles with 80% of he battery left.

You are correct though. If you want to keep a car around 20 years what does that mean for an EV?

That's how my brother in laws family is. They keep cars literally until they are undriveable. I am not sure how they would handle having an EV, especially since they live out in the middle of no where lol

[Hops]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That's how my brother in laws family is. They keep cars literally until they are undriveable. I am not sure how they would handle having an EV, especially since they live out in the middle of no where lol

Keeping an EV for a long time might not be about hardware like the battery, but more about right-to-repair issues. It's encouraging the passing of the Massachusetts ballot measure requiring manufacturers to allow vehicle owners and repair shops access to data needed to fix cars (it was opposed by many GM, Toyota, Tesla... etc).

[KindaOrange]

Originally Posted by Nightfall ss1le

That’s how I feel too & I have no problem with keeping this car forever. Luckily I like Dodge too & we all know their answer to everything is slapping more motor in it lol. If GM keeps going this way I’ll be Mopar only.

Forever Camaro, I like that. Same here really. The most epic generation of Camaro / Corvette happening right now.

[Road_Warrior85]

One of my bigger concerns is how everything is shifting to a subscription model.

At one point, the car was yours to modify to your liking, just a girl could cut off 90% of her jeans to make a perfect pair of shorts.

Then we reached a point where you could modify the electrics of your car, but it wasn't always that well received by the dealer/manufacturer.

Then they tried to lock the computers to prevent you from changing anything.

Now that they can update over the air, what is to stop them from overwriting your tune and resetting it to factory specs?

Worse yet.... that subscription model.
Whats to say that they wont follow the path similar to how microsoft office is now a yearly subscription where you must pay each year to continue using the software you bought from them. Maybe they start buy making NAV a subscription where you lose your maps if you dont pay for the next years update, but then what if they go on to make everything electric and lock you out completely if you don't pay for your annual subscription to use whatever computer software is running/controlling your car?

Are we gonna see people "jailbreaking" cars to run their own OS? Would the government shut that down by requiring OS checks like they do emissions checks?

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior85

One of my bigger concerns is how everything is shifting to a subscription model.

At one point, the car was yours to modify to your liking, just a girl could cut off 90% of her jeans to make a perfect pair of shorts.

Then we reached a point where you could modify the electrics of your car, but it wasn't always that well received by the dealer/manufacturer.

Then they tried to lock the computers to prevent you from changing anything.

Now that they can update over the air, what is to stop them from overwriting your tune and resetting it to factory specs?

Worse yet.... that subscription model.
Whats to say that they wont follow the path similar to how microsoft office is now a yearly subscription where you must pay each year to continue using the software you bought from them. Maybe they start buy making NAV a subscription where you lose your maps if you dont pay for the next years update, but then what if they go on to make everything electric and lock you out completely if you don't pay for your annual subscription to use whatever computer software is running/controlling your car?

Are we gonna see people "jailbreaking" cars to run their own OS? Would the government shut that down by requiring OS checks like they do emissions checks?

I think there were a few companies that are for this idea, like BMW, Honda and I think GM. To be fair, I wouldn't be against that idea if I have a BMW, given their reliability, or lack thereof.

Anyway, I think this idea was shot down. Unless everyone decides to do it that way, there is no way one single company will be crazy enough to do it unless they want to go out of business. Even if they do, remember that we have used car market.

As for Microsoft Office, you can still buy it once and keep it forever. Microsoft Office 2019 is like that. The trouble is that at one point, the support will stop and you miss out on new features. 365 keeps everything updated with the latest features, at a continuous cost. In the end I would still prefer the buy-once model, but it will depend on the specific software we are talking about here.

For example, I also have Foxit Phantom PDF Reader on my laptop. It's stuck at version 7 because I bought it. No subscription options. Now it's on version 10 and I would have to buy it at full price if I want it. 7 still works, though there are times it would crash on me, especially when I am trying to create a PDF from my scanner(very common with the current situation). If they did a subscription at CAN$50~75 per year, I would have considered it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...0-a239bd27eb96

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[Frankie18SS]

I honestly don't want a hybrid Camaro, give me a fully electric torque monster. If they call it something else, I'll still be 100% on board with a GM EV sports car.

The one and only thing that would piss me off enough to go to another car manufacturer would be a monthly or yearly subscription payment for a feature all ready in my car. If I'm already paying $50-60,000+ for a car, they better not try to nickel and dime me for another few bucks a month.

[Big Lebowski]

Originally Posted by c4racer

You know it's a bit scary - Red Barchetta by Rush is one of my favorite songs, but I never thought I would live in a world where something like that would be the reality. Sadly - I was mistaken....

Good point. Never thought about it, but you’re right. Crazy.

[RealG]

California, where I live has no working power grid. Just keeping the power on just keeping the lights on is a big deal here. I reset my clock 12 times since the time change. Our electric grid is shot. They’re sending us coupons for bags of ice to pack our freezers. They are not ready for any type of massive plug in car campaign in California.

[Big Lebowski]

Originally Posted by RealG

California, where I live has no working power grid. Just keeping the power on just keeping the lights on is a big deal here. I reset my clock 12 times since the time change. Our electric grid is shot. They’re sending us coupons for bags of ice to pack our freezers. They are not ready for any type of massive plug in car campaign in California.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by RealG

California, where I live has no working power grid. Just keeping the power on just keeping the lights on is a big deal here. I reset my clock 12 times since the time change. Our electric grid is shot. They’re sending us coupons for bags of ice to pack our freezers. They are not ready for any type of massive plug in car campaign in California.

https://recallgavin2020.com, they could still use a couple more signatures.

[z28pat]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

https://recallgavin2020.com, they could still use a couple more signatures.

Pardon my ignorance , Did Gavin cause the infrastructure issue with the power grid? How long has this been going in California?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by z28pat

Pardon my ignorance , Did Gavin cause the infrastructure issue with the power grid? How long has this been going in California?

Well, I'm in NJ, so I won't speak to power grid infrastructure issues in CA. The point is we cannot change the past, but do have some control over the future.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Well, I'm in NJ, so I won't speak to power grid infrastructure issues in CA. The point is we cannot change the past, but do have some control over the future.

It would be nice to know what the grid looks like in 2035. This is what California thinks they are doing with the grid between now and then. Of course some will believe it and some won’t, but at least we should know what their plan is.

https://www.governing.com/next/As-Ca...d-Keep-Up.html

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by bob13bob

who make your opinion on what is a sports car valid? make sure to go out there and correct all those people who drive heavy sports cars, bugattis, chargers, etc.

enjoyment of driving... is like a cruising, which is what i want from a car.

I'm surprised that the owner of an Acura NSX would ever categorize such cars as being "sports cars".

It's not just about having to run the maximum performance numbers, y'know . . . subjective 'feel' matters at least as much, especially when just cruising at an easy normal street-driving pace. You don't have to race, or turn your car into a race car, to notice that.

do you realize how little someone who never pushes the limits of their vehicle to the point of crashing know about being fast? you think having 3500 lbs of metal and cushion between you and the road is a more personal experience?

I guess what you're telling me is that you can't separate the subjective feel from the speed. Not yet, anyway.

People get good by crashing. I have the scars over my body as my teaching experience. Or do you like to assume you're fast even though you haven't paid in blood and effort to become so?

Lap times and knowing how close I manage to use all of the performance potential that my car has to offer is at least as good of an indication of being "good" - meaning at least "decent" - as having to learn by crashing that I wasn't as good as I thought I was. Being moved up a run group at HPDE on unsolicited recommendation of track workers would be another good indication.



Just so you know, I've got a National #4 in age group number plate from my BMX track racing days hanging up on the garage wall (I was in my late 30s at the time). That activity eventually cost me two surgeries on each knee, the last of which ended a pretty good run. 33 years and change later, my left knee never did regain anywhere near its original range of motion. So I've been there, too.


Norm