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Stew · 10-06-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rock1962

I just dug up an issue of road and track October 2009 they tested the 2010SS, 2009 Challenger R/T, 2010 mustang GT all manuals. Challenger ( 0-60 5.8) (1/4 14.1) / SS (0-60 4.6 ) ( 1/4 12.9 ) / GT (0-60 5.3 ) ( 1/4 13.8 ) I think there are V6's that are running close to 14 with manuals and minor mods so getting back to the original question Can you beat your dad's car? on a good day you will be close

Funny the SS time was pretty spot on, yet the Mustang (which I am sure was a track pak with 3.73s) and Challenger were dreadfully slower than what owners can actually run.

rock1962 · 10-07-2011, 11:57 PM

You are right, the average time for a manual 09 challenger is probably closer to 13.4 a little faster than an auto say 3 1/10ths, probably due to the final drive ratio, If you know how to drive. Just goes to show you can't believe everything you read.

Stinkycheese916 · 10-09-2011, 01:20 AM

This reminds me of when I was in highschool with a V6 Mustang and I thought I could smoke a Corvette. The R/T will win hands down but it'll be a fun race none the less. I can breat V6 Camaros all day long in my 2011 RAM R/T truck which weighs almost 5k. Either way race and have fun, you win some and you lose some.

The Shadoww · 10-09-2011, 02:10 AM

Honestly, who cares how fast you can go in a strait line?

wbt · 10-09-2011, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rock1962

You are right, the average time for a manual 09 challenger is probably closer to 13.4 a little faster than an auto say 3 1/10ths, probably due to the final drive ratio, If you know how to drive. Just goes to show you can't believe everything you read.

Wrong. The auto's are quicker stock for stock just like the new 5.0 Mustangs. There was a M6 R/T at the track the same night I ran ours and he was .2 slower. Both cars were bone stock.

The auto Challenger R/T is really de-tuned from the factory.

3.06 open diff.
2 1/4" exhaust
More weight

Put a proper geared rear in it with a limited slip diff, full 2.5" exhaust, tune and some drag radials and I bet it would give the full exhaust, CAI, tuned Camaro SS's (LS3) Hell winning the majority of the races. Add a converter and cam with some weight reduction and I bet 11's are achievable with good air.

I think the 5.7 R/T offers much more than what it is given credit for. It made a believer out of me.

wbt · 10-09-2011, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Black On Black On Black

Honestly, who cares how fast you can go in a strait line?

Quite a few including most V-8 sports car owners.

a_Username · 10-09-2011, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

Put a proper geared rear in it with a limited slip diff, full 2.5" exhaust, tune and some drag radials and I bet it would give the full exhaust, CAI, tuned Camaro SS's (LS3) Hell winning the majority of the races.

Told yall that he was delusional.

formare · 10-09-2011, 07:54 AM

When did the RT start hitting 13s. When last I had one is was a high 14 car. Maybe with a tune and and an intake it would be in the 13s. I was just a a TNT with 80+ temps and an SRT was doing low 14s.

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Originally Posted by Stew

The difference is not as big as what you make it out to be. Like 3800 pounds compared to 4100, he has a large HP advangtage and a huge torque advantage. With your mods you probably still a low 14 second car while a stock automatic Callnger R/T is capable of low 13s stock (as quick as 13.1).

07-SRT · 10-09-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by formare

When did the RT start hitting 13s. When last I had one is was a high 14 car. Maybe with a tune and and an intake it would be in the 13s. I was just a a TNT with 80+ temps and an SRT was doing low 14s.

Srt low 14's lol....sounds like they need (driver mod) The slowest my Srt ran (100 stock) was 13.5x in a +2700 da.my fastest stock run was 13.08 in a +600 da.
the older R/T was a 14 sec car stock, the new R/T is a 13 sec car...( Its a different engine...) At least thats what I see @ gainesville...

formare · 10-09-2011, 08:25 AM

I did the google thing and educated myself. I see the newer RTs have the tune worked out at the factory. Same engine no? The new SRT has a new engine.

The big thing that killed the older challenger was heat soak and crazy factory intake.

PS

The track was US41 - where track prep means blowing the corn husks off the track and not much else.

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Originally Posted by 07-SRT

Srt low 14's lol....sounds like they need (driver mod) The slowest my Srt ran (100 stock) was 13.5x in a +2700 da.my fastest stock run was 13.08 in a +600 da.
the older R/T was a 14 sec car stock, the new R/T is a 13 sec car...( Its a different engine...) At least thats what I see @ gainesville...

07-SRT · 10-09-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by formare

I did the google thing and educated myself. I see the newer RTs have the tune worked out at the factory. Same engine no? The new SRT has a new engine.

The big thing that killed the older challenger was heat soak and crazy factory intake.

PS

The track was US41 - where track prep means blowing the corn husks off the track and not much else.

Yep,track prep has alot to do with it.... the challenger does have the same engine...its the 300, charger,magnum from 05-08 that have a different 5.7 hemi...in 09 the R/T (All models)got the new 5.7 which has completely different heads...more hp...different power curve.etc

big hammer · 10-09-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by coolman

Here's the problem with that saying.

Is that why an Ecoboost F150 with a 3.5 V6 beats all the V-8s that Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks have to offer in the quarter mile.

I know this has nothing to do with the V6 Camaro not being able to beat an R/T challenger ,but it does question that "old" saying.

the 6.2L vortec max beats the ecoboost quite handily...

archtaan · 10-09-2011, 08:57 AM

All of the mags are a bit different. The auto's are quicker at the track for two reasons. 1 - The manual pulls all timing between shifts so the car has to work back into the timing curve. This has been shown in data logs and debated constantly on Challenger forums. 2 - The factory tires create stupid amounts of wheel hop with any decent launch. This issue has also been resolved.

Here are a few comparo's - This is 10 SS vs 09 R/T vs 10 GT
0-60 in 5.1
1/4 in 13.6@105

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html

2011 R/T
0-60 in 5.0
1/4 in 13.5@106

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_numbers.html

These were both 6-speeders. The autos are proven to be a bit quicker than manuals in the real world.

Go and have fun and be safe, remember he spent a lot more money than you and if he is happy and you are happy that is all that matters.

Sour DeeZ · 10-09-2011, 09:08 AM

Heres my experience., When I had my 1LT/RS it had an injen a catback. I could not keep up with my brothers Dodge Magnum R/T Hemi. That is alot heavier than that challenger. So I don't think you would have any chance. Sorry

10-09-2011, 02:10 AM	#60
The Shadoww Black on Black on Black Drives: 2011 Camaro 1LS Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 864	Honestly, who cares how fast you can go in a strait line? __________________

10-09-2011, 08:57 AM	#69
archtaan Drives: car Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 305	All of the mags are a bit different. The auto's are quicker at the track for two reasons. 1 - The manual pulls all timing between shifts so the car has to work back into the timing curve. This has been shown in data logs and debated constantly on Challenger forums. 2 - The factory tires create stupid amounts of wheel hop with any decent launch. This issue has also been resolved. Here are a few comparo's - This is 10 SS vs 09 R/T vs 10 GT 0-60 in 5.1 1/4 in 13.6@105 http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html 2011 R/T 0-60 in 5.0 1/4 in 13.5@106 http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_numbers.html These were both 6-speeders. The autos are proven to be a bit quicker than manuals in the real world. Go and have fun and be safe, remember he spent a lot more money than you and if he is happy and you are happy that is all that matters. Last edited by archtaan; 10-09-2011 at 08:58 AM. Reason: sp

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Sour DeeZ Drives: 2011 IOM 2SS RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 692	Heres my experience., When I had my 1LT/RS it had an injen a catback. I could not keep up with my brothers Dodge Magnum R/T Hemi. That is alot heavier than that challenger. So I don't think you would have any chance. Sorry __________________ 2011 SS/RS IOM M6 --- Kooks 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers Coated, Kooks 3" HFC, Kooks X-pipe, Kooks 3" Cat-back, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Custom Quad Exhaust & Diffuser, Custom Tuned at Jannetty Racing. (2) 10" JL Audio w6's. Rockford Fosgate Power T500-1. Cache COE6.

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10-07-2011, 11:57 PM	#58
rock1962 Drives: 2018 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: ontario canada Posts: 442 View My Garage	You are right, the average time for a manual 09 challenger is probably closer to 13.4 a little faster than an auto say 3 1/10ths, probably due to the final drive ratio, If you know how to drive. Just goes to show you can't believe everything you read.

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Stinkycheese916 Drives: 2011 RAM R/T Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: CA Posts: 33	This reminds me of when I was in highschool with a V6 Mustang and I thought I could smoke a Corvette. The R/T will win hands down but it'll be a fun race none the less. I can breat V6 Camaros all day long in my 2011 RAM R/T truck which weighs almost 5k. Either way race and have fun, you win some and you lose some.