GM Announces Pricing for Twin-Turbocharged 2014 Cadillac XTS Vsport

[FenwickHockey65]

Keep telling yourself that.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Keep telling yourself that.

Hey I know you love GM, as do I, but I'm calling a spade a spade. The XTS isn't a competitive product.

[FenwickHockey65]

It's MORE than competitive. Is it the flagship sedan Cadillac needs? No, but again, it's something to position at the top of the lineup until that vehicle is ready. There's no reason to give up 2500 sales/month over the course of 6-7 years.

A lot of you are suffering from this delusion that every Cadillac needs to be a rip-your-face-off CTS-V. That's not the case at all. The vast majority of Cadillacs (and EVERY luxury make) sold is typically a mid-level trim.

Here's the thing: When XTS debuted, EVERYONE was skeptical, saying it wasn't what Cadillac should be building. Fast forward to the first media drives and initial reviews, and everyone changed their opinions. Why? Because despite its FWD drivetrain, it ushered in new exterior and interior designs and technology that you now see on ATS and CTS. And when people actually got into the driver's seat, they found the FWD-based platform to be mostly a non-issue especially with GM's torque steer management innovations.

So is XTS a CTS-V? No. It's not an ATS either. But there are PLENTY of luxury customers out there who simply want a large, luxurious, and comfortable sedan, and XTS fits that bill well.

Plus, you're forgetting that with the demise of the Town Car, the livery market is now wide open, and Lincoln's attempt at using the MKT has mostly been laughed at by that industry.

[Steve Dallas]

Is this new XTS going to do AWD? I doubt it, but I'm curious...

[FenwickHockey65]

Yes. AWD has always been an option with the LFX, but all XTS Vsports are AWD.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

It's MORE than competitive. Is it the flagship sedan Cadillac needs? No, but again, it's something to position at the top of the lineup until that vehicle is ready. There's no reason to give up 2500 sales/month over the course of 6-7 years.

A lot of you are suffering from this delusion that every Cadillac needs to be a rip-your-face-off CTS-V. That's not the case at all. The vast majority of Cadillacs (and EVERY luxury make) sold is typically a mid-level trim.

Here's the thing: When XTS debuted, EVERYONE was skeptical, saying it wasn't what Cadillac should be building. Fast forward to the first media drives and initial reviews, and everyone changed their opinions. Why? Because despite its FWD drivetrain, it ushered in new exterior and interior designs and technology that you now see on ATS and CTS. And when people actually got into the driver's seat, they found the FWD-based platform to be mostly a non-issue especially with GM's torque steer management innovations.

So is XTS a CTS-V? No. It's not an ATS either. But there are PLENTY of luxury customers out there who simply want a large, luxurious, and comfortable sedan, and XTS fits that bill well.

Plus, you're forgetting that with the demise of the Town Car, the livery market is now wide open, and Lincoln's attempt at using the MKT has mostly been laughed at by that industry.

I don't expect a CTS-V, but I do expect a great driver's car. BMW, Audi, and MBs all make great drivers cars. The ATS and CTS fit that formula, but the XTS doesn't. Hell even the S class is a decent driver's car, and that's the MB luxury flagship.

[TheCaptain]

I can't wait to drive an XTS Vsport! The normal XTS doesn't even drive like a 'big car', so I wonder what the extra oomph will do?!

[FenwickHockey65]

Again, it's a comfortable, luxurious full size sedan. That's the role it fills. You really think S-class or 7-series owners are taking their cars to the track every week? No, the vast majority just want a big luxury car. That's all.

As for the RWD vs FWD debate, I'd be willing to bet most people don't even realize or care which set of wheels drive their car. As evidenced by an article a few years back about BMW 1-series owners swearing up and down they owned FWD cars.

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Have at it...

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

A nice interior isn't worth the money that it costs over the Impala. The Impala is the best car in its segment while the XTS doesn't even have a segment. It's the typical old GM way of thinking. The only thing they got right on this car is the interior. They should have canned the DTS and not put anything in its place. If it isn't worth building, don't build it at all. Kind of like that shitty van thing that chevy is making.

Let's see.
Price-MB
Interior-Tie
Exterior-MB (opinion)
Powertrain-MB with a 7 speed auto and a TT V8
Cool factor-MB
Handling-MB
The E550 blows this car out of the water in every way possible. The handling is probably the biggest factor since it's AWD on a RWD based platform. Plus with the MB you get a much better dealer network with real luxury dealerships that aren't attached to horrible Chevy dealerships. When it's time for service MB excellent since you don't have these moron Chevy techs working on it. In terms of reliability I believe MB was the highest rated German manufacturer on the last JD power test. I know it's close to Cadillac, but I'm not sure which one ranked higher. This car doesn't make any sense at all. I want Caddy to do well, but this car is just a failure. Stick to making cars like the CTS and ATS.

Sorry Bud... I think U're wrong.. and so does about 30K (based on last year's figures and Jan-May figures) buyers of the splendid XTS. In truth U need to get your mind right... Your issue with the car is which wheels are being powered in standard trim.. ADMIT IT.

Let's see

Price: Your pick of teh Benz is laughable. While the difference is $2K less for the smaller E550, the XTS comes with damn near an S-Class's worth in amenities. Not to mention that extra size.. better tech.. and reliability which is worth a whole lot more.

Interior-Tie? Get the Eff Outta here. Cadillac decimates the Benz in interior quality. The E550's interior looks like something that should actually come in the 2014 IMPALA.. funny in fact that the IMPALA has an air of more quality about it.. let alone the XTS donor

Exterior-MB (opinion)??? NOPE.. JUST WRONG. Flat out wrong. This is not objectivity.. it's just WRONG. The XTS is better looking


Powertrain-MB with a 7 speed auto and a TT V8.. Really? I've driven the E550.. The car is 4500lbs and needs every bit of that 400HP and 443lbs of torque to move its fat ass. I have a strange feeling that the XTS TTV6 is gonna pull down similar numbers despite less torque...



Cool factor-MB.? To Who.. I see as many OLD people driving the E-Class as I do XTS.. In fact I would venture to say MORE. The XTS gets heads turning.. the Benz... about as common looking as a Camry



Handling-MB.. On this I will not fight U as I simple have not tested them BACK to BACK. But after driving a CTS-V for the last 5 years.. I have a great deal of faith in Cadillac to do a damn great job in that regard

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by King Sun

U kno its true. "German engineering... Good until the Warranty is up"

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

U kno its true. "German engineering... Good until the Warranty is up"

do we need to go through the wonder years of the northstar engine with caddy

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by King Sun

do we need to go through the wonder years of the northstar engine with caddy

Nope... because I'm talking about RIGHT NOW.. or even Cadillac from 2005- 2013.. The NS, had issue, but is was literally GM's first foray into that level of advanced DOHC powertrains.. especially in terms of V8s. Personally I could never understand why they needed it after the '97 LS1 was introed.

BMW has been shitty in terms of reliability since DAY ONE. They are marginally better than Audi..

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Sorry Bud... I think U're wrong.. and so does about 30K (based on last year's figures and Jan-May figures) buyers of the splendid XTS. In truth U need to get your mind right... Your issue with the car is which wheels are being powered in standard trim.. ADMIT IT.

Let's see

Price: Your pick of teh Benz is laughable. While the difference is $2K less for the smaller E550, the XTS comes with damn near an S-Class's worth in amenities. Not to mention that extra size.. better tech.. and reliability which is worth a whole lot more.

Interior-Tie? Get the Eff Outta here. Cadillac decimates the Benz in interior quality. The E550's interior looks like something that should actually come in the 2014 IMPALA.. funny in fact that the IMPALA has an air of more quality about it.. let alone the XTS donor

Exterior-MB (opinion)??? NOPE.. JUST WRONG. Flat out wrong. This is not objectivity.. it's just WRONG. The XTS is better looking


Powertrain-MB with a 7 speed auto and a TT V8.. Really? I've driven the E550.. The car is 4500lbs and needs every bit of that 400HP and 443lbs of torque to move its fat ass. I have a strange feeling that the XTS TTV6 is gonna pull down similar numbers despite less torque...



Cool factor-MB.? To Who.. I see as many OLD people driving the E-Class as I do XTS.. In fact I would venture to say MORE. The XTS gets heads turning.. the Benz... about as common looking as a Camry



Handling-MB.. On this I will not fight U as I simple have not tested them BACK to BACK. But after driving a CTS-V for the last 5 years.. I have a great deal of faith in Cadillac to do a damn great job in that regard

You're clueless