[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by aa406079

Valentine 1 has been a consistent front runner for years.... HOWEVER, it doesn't not have a good filter for lane change alerting and active cruise control systems yet... Which is a big problem considering uptrim camaros have this feature running all the time themselves.....

There's a really good YouTube channel called " Radar Vortex" that does good reviews and talks about this...


http://youtu.be/4DiU2A4c2s4


http://youtu.be/DGuTgWtnbNA

Have you had them do this update?

http://www.valentine1.com/v1info/junk_k_fighter/

[vet757]

Theyre illegal in Virginia but...Waze is not haha. If you are able to use waze and a radar detector together youre set!

That little app got me out of a speed trap 2 miles ahead at 3am on a tuesday. The cop was hiding exactly where the app said.

[txferrari]

Not close. Valentine 1.

[Childs Play]

Originally Posted by Lethalphoenix

Things to remember: Cops are people too..... And we do own and drive the same cars you do. we also like having fun! Having said that, and I don't want to be a wet blanket here, radar detectors now days are more of a " Pull over, you're about to receive a ticket" device. Lidar is an instant speed calculator and if you receive a lazer warning on you're detector........ Well, you are already caught!
Also keep in mind that lazer is not the only thing used to track speed. Nor is "k" or "ka" band. In any case, if you find yourself parked on the side of the road with flashing red or blue lights behind you, remember be honest, don't make up some lame excuse for speeding, and try and be funny and cooperative! You may just find yourself driving away with a verbal warning instead of a ticket!

Oh, and as for "rain-x", I use it on my "work" vehicle as well as my "fun" vehicle! Still though, that does not negate the verbage of the code section in you're state regarding wipers and lights during in-climate weather. Just saying.

Agreed.

Although if radar bounces off something over a hill mine picks it up. Just avoided a ticket the other day driving home from a trip because mine went off before I came over a hill. It was late and I had been on the road for 14 hours.......... Yes really. I was tired of driving and ready to just be home.

If I'm pulled over I'm annoyed but I know it's most likely my fault.

Last time I was pulled over (3+ years ago) I was in my ZL1 and the cop talked with me for 10 minutes about the car and joked about me going wayyy too fast in it. (I was doing 45 in a 35 with no traffic and was talking to my wife. I wasn't paying attention to the speed limit. My fault.)

He let me go with a warning.

I don't make up excuses and I thank them for their service to the community once they let me drive off, even though I'm not happy about being pulled over... They deal with way more BS than I'd ever want to.

[SS 1LE]

Just downloaded and set up Waze. Will give it a shot along with my regular detectors...

[Imp]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Just downloaded and set up Waze. Will give it a shot along with my regular detectors...

Welcome to the fold.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by txferrari

Not close. Valentine 1.

Illegal in some states, especially VA where they confiscate it (if they just see it in view - even unplugged). Put it in the glove box if you're going through VA.

--kC

[Tachyon]

Originally Posted by Lethalphoenix

Things to remember: Cops are people too..... And we do own and drive the same cars you do. we also like having fun! Having said that, and I don't want to be a wet blanket here, radar detectors now days are more of a " Pull over, you're about to receive a ticket" device. Lidar is an instant speed calculator and if you receive a lazer warning on you're detector........ Well, you are already caught!
Also keep in mind that lazer is not the only thing used to track speed. Nor is "k" or "ka" band. In any case, if you find yourself parked on the side of the road with flashing red or blue lights behind you, remember be honest, don't make up some lame excuse for speeding, and try and be funny and coorapitive! You may just find yourself driving away with a verbal warning instead of a ticket!

Oh, and as for "rain-x", I use it on my "work" vehicle as well as my "fun" vehicle! Still though, that does not negate the verbage of the code section in you're state regarding wipers and lights during in-climate weather. Just saying.

I absolutely disagree with Mr. LEO on all except four items. The four I agree with:
1. LEO are people too.
2. Some LEO drive the same cars we do.
3. Some LEO like to have fun.
4. Be professional to LEO.

The remainder are an appeal to authority fallacy. Just because an LEO says something does not make it true.

Countermeasures, when used correctly and with appropriate situation awareness, are extremely effective. You don't have to believe me, but my experience differs greatly from Mr. LEO. Nor do you have to believe Mr. LEO that they are ineffective, as that's what he wants to believe because in his experience he catches drivers all day long who are running countermeasures.

Problem with this logic is that Mr. LEO does not, and cannot know, how many fish swam away from the revenue generation stream because they were using countermeasures in an effective fashion, while diligently maintaining situation awareness. Any claims that this is an incorrect assessment should be met with appropriate incredulity.

Mr. LEO has succumbed to what is known as the Texas Sharp Shooter fallacy. Counting the hits and ignoring the misses is disingenuous.

With respect to "you're already caught". Statistically, even the most prudent and safe drivers will have an encounter with an LEO during their driving lifetime. I doubt even Mr. LEO knows how many laws he fractured on the way into the office this morning. I have no doubt that even if I attempted to follow every law, rule, and regulation of which I am aware the next time I got into my vehicle I would still fracture some law, rule, or regulation of which I am not aware. The law is a complex series of patches that try to make messy social interactions a bit better. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Invariably, those with the monopoly on force can determine an infraction to some law, rule, or regulation because the law is such a mess.

Which leads to my conclusion. When, not if (again, statistics is a cold-hard biatch), you have a roadside visit with LEO it is imperative that you treat him or her with the professionalism due their position in our society. Note that I did not say faux respect. Note that I did not say cower in fear. She or he is human and doing their job in a professional manner. We should be professional as well, and understand how this interaction should proceed. We do not admit guilt, we do not offer anything that may be used against us, we provide them with the requested and required information and nothing more. If in doubt about an answer, silence is golden. Accept your performance award in a professional and cordial manner. Sign the award and thank the LEO for his or her professionalism and proceed on your way. Near traffic is not the place where we admit our guilt, nor is it the place where we attempt to defend ourselves against those that allege we have broken a law, rule, or regulation. The appropriate place is in the court of law which we use as a crucible to determine the validity of the devices, processes, and observations used to allege our infraction. If those devices, processes, or observations are found fallible, incorrect, or outright invalid accept your innocence with grace. If they are found effective and reliable, accept your guilt with aplomb and pay your debt to our society.

In the final estimation, don't simply take Authority's word at face value (or mine for that matter). Work the system as much as it is works you.

A postscript: I am not a lawyer. I am not an LEO. I am a productive member of society that has routine professional and personal contact with the former that believes both serve our society to the best of their knowledge, skills, and abilities.

[Curr]

Originally Posted by Imp

Illegal in some states, especially VA where they confiscate it (if they just see it in view - even unplugged). Put it in the glove box if you're going through VA.

--kC

Actually since I'm now in the market for my new car, I went and looked. From my research only 2 places in the US are illegal for passenger cars to use radar detectors. (note distinction, passenger cars, vehicles with commercial plates, it's a mish-mash, check your local laws!)

As noted Virginia, and District of Columbia (that's a shocka!).

[Childs Play]

Originally Posted by Tachyon

I absolutely disagree with Mr. LEO on all except four items. The four I agree with:
1. LEO are people too.
2. Some LEO drive the same cars we do.
3. Some LEO like to have fun.
4. Be professional to LEO.

The remainder are an appeal to authority fallacy. Just because an LEO says something does not make it true.

Countermeasures, when used correctly and with appropriate situation awareness, are extremely effective. You don't have to believe me, but my experience differs greatly from Mr. LEO. Nor do you have to believe Mr. LEO that they are ineffective, as that's what he wants to believe because in his experience he catches drivers all day long who are running countermeasures.

Problem with this logic is that Mr. LEO does not, and cannot know, how many fish swam away from the revenue generation stream because they were using countermeasures in an effective fashion, while diligently maintaining situation awareness. Any claims that this is an incorrect assessment should be met with appropriate incredulity.

Mr. LEO has succumbed to what is known as the Texas Sharp Shooter fallacy. Counting the hits and ignoring the misses is disingenuous.

With respect to "you're already caught". Statistically, even the most prudent and safe drivers will have an encounter with an LEO during their driving lifetime. I doubt even Mr. LEO knows how many laws he fractured on the way into the office this morning. I have no doubt that even if I attempted to follow every law, rule, and regulation of which I am aware the next time I got into my vehicle I would still fracture some law, rule, or regulation of which I am not aware. The law is a complex series of patches that try to make messy social interactions a bit better. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Invariably, those with the monopoly on force can determine an infraction to some law, rule, or regulation because the law is such a mess.

Which leads to my conclusion. When, not if (again, statistics is a cold-hard biatch), you have a roadside visit with LEO it is imperative that you treat him or her with the professionalism due their position in our society. Note that I did not say faux respect. Note that I did not say cower in fear. She or he is human and doing their job in a professional manner. We should be professional as well, and understand how this interaction should proceed. We do not admit guilt, we do not offer anything that may be used against us, we provide them with the requested and required information and nothing more. If in doubt about an answer, silence is golden. Accept your performance award in a professional and cordial manner. Sign the award and thank the LEO for his or her professionalism and proceed on your way. Near traffic is not the place where we admit our guilt, nor is it the place where we attempt to defend ourselves against those that allege we have broken a law, rule, or regulation. The appropriate place is in the court of law which we use as a crucible to determine the validity of the devices, processes, and observations used to allege our infraction. If those devices, processes, or observations are found fallible, incorrect, or outright invalid accept your innocence with grace. If they are found effective and reliable, accept your guilt with aplomb and pay your debt to our society.

In the final estimation, don't simply take Authority's word at face value (or mine for that matter). Work the system as much as it is works you.

A postscript: I am not a lawyer. I am not an LEO. I am a productive member of society that has routine professional and personal contact with the former that believes both serve our society to the best of their knowledge, skills, and abilities.

I laughed at the "accept your performance reward" part.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by Tachyon

Countermeasures, when used correctly and with appropriate situation awareness

You've said it a few times now in a couple posts... and the OCD in me takes over.

It's: situational awareness.

Situation awareness is being aware of the word, "situation".

Situational awareness is being aware of your surroundings.



--kC

[GoldCartridgeGamer]

Escort Passport 9500ix for lot of street driving and Escort Passport Redline for a lot of highway/interstate driving.

Just remember if they use laser instead of K or Ka band then they do you no good. Also they are illegal in some states.

[DenverTaco07]

What stops law enforcement from using WAZE against us?

Of course some may say they wouldn't do as i'm implying because tickets are a source of revenue, but if they really cared about us "driving safe", then they could turn it against us and render it useless (with regards to avoiding a ticket).

[Tachyon]

Originally Posted by Imp

You've said it a few times now in a couple posts... and the OCD in me takes over.

It's: situational awareness.

Situation awareness is being aware of the word, "situation".

Situational awareness is being aware of your surroundings.

--kC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situation_awareness

Meh. Pedantry at its finest on both our parts.

Either usage works.