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Tony@Speed Inc. · 09-25-2014, 10:52 AM

This week we had the opportunity to work on Zach's 2010 Camaro SS LS3 M6. His build consisted of a Magnuson Cog-driven TVS2300, Lingenfelter GT9 cam package, ARH off-road Long tube headers, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system and a DSX E85 Flex Fuel conversion. On pump 93 octane the car made 595RWHP/554RWTQ and on E85 the car made an impressive 678RWHP/613RWTQ!

10aSSee D · 09-25-2014, 10:58 AM

Do you have to get a tune for the flex fuel conversion or does the ECM take care of it?

Unreal · 09-25-2014, 11:51 AM

Yes the tune has to be modified.

10aSSee D · 09-25-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

Yes the tune has to be modified.

Would you have to swap tunes everytime you used one or the other?

pincushin3819 · 09-25-2014, 02:51 PM

From my understanding it adjust it's self on the fly through the octane calibration sensor. So one tune is suppose to cover 91-93, straight e85 & a mixture of 91-93 with e85. If I'm understanding right.

pincushin3819 · 09-25-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony@Speed Inc.

This week we had the opportunity to work on Zach's 2010 Camaro SS LS3 M6. His build consisted of a Magnuson Cog-driven TVS2300, Lingenfelter GT9 cam package, ARH off-road Long tube headers, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system and a DSX E85 Flex Fuel conversion. On pump 93 octane the car made 595RWHP/554RWTQ and on E85 the car made an impressive 678RWHP/613RWTQ!

I wanted to ask was the hp gain through just tuning for E85 or was there also a pulley swap also? I'm about to do a conversion for flex fuel as well & was wondering how much more power I could expect with e85 & tuning alone.

Unreal · 09-25-2014, 04:27 PM

No you don't have to swap tunes. That is the whole point of flex fuel. The car detects it, and adjust fuel/timing based on ethanol percent. The factory ECU does not have this feature enable or any of the tables filled out, so your tuner needs to turn it on in the tune, then fill in the tables. Once they are setup, just sit back and enjoy. Fill up with anything from pure gas to E100. If you just plug a flex fuel sensor in, the car won't even know it is there until you enable it in the ecu.

10aSSee D · 09-25-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

No you don't have to swap tunes. That is the whole point of flex fuel. The car detects it, and adjust fuel/timing based on ethanol percent. The factory ECU does not have this feature enable or any of the tables filled out, so your tuner needs to turn it on in the tune, then fill in the tables. Once they are setup, just sit back and enjoy. Fill up with anything from pure gas to E100. If you just plug a flex fuel sensor in, the car won't even know it is there until you enable it in the ecu.

Got it thanks for the info

Iam Broke · 09-25-2014, 06:48 PM

What was the PE lambda (or GM PE if you prefer) and timing on the corn?

Iam Broke · 09-27-2014, 11:20 AM

*crickets* from Speed Inc. I guess.

lbheat · 09-27-2014, 04:35 PM

Nice. Hopefully i get the same gains when i install the flex fuel sensor i bought. Even a 50rwhp gain is impressive for a simple fuel swap.

Can you please take a picture of how you did the plumbing to incorporate the sensor Tony?

Unreal · 09-27-2014, 05:27 PM

DSX kit is plug and play, no plumbing to deal with.

lbheat · 09-27-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

DSX kit is plug and play, no plumbing to deal with.

The part in my hand is the dsteck sensor. The plug n play ones for cts-v's have plumbing already done. Dave said he doesnt have a drop in for the camaro, just a general pigtail version. I take it that it wont be tough but im just curious of those that have done it.

I stopped progress on my install since i did an impulse booking of several vacation trips out of country lol. So i probably wont finish up e85 conversion till december.

EDFHOBBIES · 09-29-2014, 01:52 PM

One thing not mentioned is that if its tuned for just E85 alone it will make more power than tuned to run on 93 octane and E85. Plus if its E85 only gas mileage is a lot better as well.

Usually needed are Bigger injectors for it's what 30 something percent less efficient? As well as better/bigger pump for the Zl1 pump isn't enough anymore!

Would I be close estimate to say it would cost this...$3200. to $3600 (if your all ready making 600 RWHP)

tune $500
Injectors 105 or 115 $1200
Fuel pump 1000 to $1200
Flex Fuel sensor $180.00
Labor 5 hrs $500

09-25-2014, 10:52 AM	#1
Tony@Speed Inc. Drives: 2002 TT Trans AM/ 2007 TBSS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 56	SPEED INC.-Zach's 2010 Camaro SS TVS2300 Flex Fuel Results! This week we had the opportunity to work on Zach's 2010 Camaro SS LS3 M6. His build consisted of a Magnuson Cog-driven TVS2300, Lingenfelter GT9 cam package, ARH off-road Long tube headers, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system and a DSX E85 Flex Fuel conversion. On pump 93 octane the car made 595RWHP/554RWTQ and on E85 the car made an impressive 678RWHP/613RWTQ! Last edited by Tony@Speed Inc.; 09-25-2014 at 11:24 AM.

09-25-2014, 10:58 AM	#2
10aSSee D Drives: Silver 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 2,562	Do you have to get a tune for the flex fuel conversion or does the ECM take care of it? __________________ MODS: ADM built 417, 2.9L Whipple with 3.250 pulley, ADM ported and polished LSA heads,ADM stage3 cam,ADM LSA belt drive system,ADM CAI race scoop, ADM dual fuel pumps, ID 850's, BMR full suspension, Gforce 9 inch kit with 3.5 inch driveshaft, Street Slayer twin carbon clutch, Lingenfelter oil seperator. Tuned by built by ADM Performance, 763rwhp,705rwtq

09-25-2014, 11:51 AM	#3
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Yes the tune has to be modified. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

09-25-2014, 02:51 PM	#5
pincushin3819 Drives: 11 AGP TT SS, 14 ECS C7 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Anderson, SC Posts: 352	From my understanding it adjust it's self on the fly through the octane calibration sensor. So one tune is suppose to cover 91-93, straight e85 & a mixture of 91-93 with e85. If I'm understanding right. Last edited by pincushin3819; 09-25-2014 at 03:01 PM.

09-25-2014, 04:27 PM	#7
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	No you don't have to swap tunes. That is the whole point of flex fuel. The car detects it, and adjust fuel/timing based on ethanol percent. The factory ECU does not have this feature enable or any of the tables filled out, so your tuner needs to turn it on in the tune, then fill in the tables. Once they are setup, just sit back and enjoy. Fill up with anything from pure gas to E100. If you just plug a flex fuel sensor in, the car won't even know it is there until you enable it in the ecu. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

09-25-2014, 06:48 PM	#9
Iam Broke PHAT B33 Drives: 2012 TF3 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Dark of the Moon Posts: 1,460 View My Garage	What was the PE lambda (or GM PE if you prefer) and timing on the corn? __________________ Another 1 of 371 '12 T3 LS3 M6's built.

09-27-2014, 11:20 AM	#10
Iam Broke PHAT B33 Drives: 2012 TF3 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Dark of the Moon Posts: 1,460 View My Garage	crickets from Speed Inc. I guess. __________________ Another 1 of 371 '12 T3 LS3 M6's built.

09-27-2014, 04:35 PM	#11
lbheat Echale Gas [COTW 3/10/14] Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Supercharged Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: La Puente, Ca Posts: 1,372	Nice. Hopefully i get the same gains when i install the flex fuel sensor i bought. Even a 50rwhp gain is impressive for a simple fuel swap. Can you please take a picture of how you did the plumbing to incorporate the sensor Tony? __________________ Kenne Bell 502 rwhp/ 471 rwtq at 9psi (daily driver...for now) Performance: Corsa catback, JRE Super Tensioner, dual pass heat exchanger, R1 slotted & Dimpled rotors cryogenically treated Cosmetic: Giovanna kilis 22", zl1 mailslot bumper, Custom Emblem Pro Badge, painted calipers

09-27-2014, 05:27 PM	#12
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	DSX kit is plug and play, no plumbing to deal with. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

09-29-2014, 01:52 PM	#14
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,345 View My Garage	One thing not mentioned is that if its tuned for just E85 alone it will make more power than tuned to run on 93 octane and E85. Plus if its E85 only gas mileage is a lot better as well. Usually needed are Bigger injectors for it's what 30 something percent less efficient? As well as better/bigger pump for the Zl1 pump isn't enough anymore! Would I be close estimate to say it would cost this...$3200. to $3600 (if your all ready making 600 RWHP) tune $500 Injectors 105 or 115 $1200 Fuel pump 1000 to $1200 Flex Fuel sensor $180.00 Labor 5 hrs $500