700-750 whp...whole new rear end needed, or axles/ds only? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

hazy · 07-23-2015, 10:19 AM

trying to plan out what all I'm going to need for my next (hopefully) planned mods. Motor is already built for a blower, however not sure what I'm going to go with. Either way, goal is 700-750hp, and with any FI that ought to be pretty easily do-able with my setup - 416 stroker, blower cam, ported heads, etc...

SO, with all that being said, I know that there are some drivetrain upgrades that I'll probably need to do when I finally pull the trigger. My only question is that if the driveline on the M6 trans will need to be replaced entirely (zl1 rear is probably the most bang for the buck) or if merely upgrading to 1000-1400hp axles and a new driveshaft will be sufficient. **clutch is a Katech LS9X

I don't race that often, but I have been known to get on it pretty good from both a dead stop and a roll...

I know the 'right' answer is to upgrade the whole thing, but if cost is a factor, will the stock diff handle 700-750 with upgraded axles/ds? Thinking about my mental list of parts needed for this FI upgrade, it's starting to look like a 15-20k investment once you factor in parts for the FI setup, suspension, drivetrain, and labor....hopefully bonuses are good this year, otherwise I may just look into some alternative power adders....I understand a top notch nitrous setup (and relevant accessories) can be had for 2-3k...

smokum · 07-23-2015, 10:34 AM

I have a adm/ lingenfelter 417 lsa blower gm ls3 cnc heads btr stage 3 cam on 10psi boost makes 721rwhp and 740rwtq. With a lot of room to grow. That is on 93 pump gas. I have the whole zl1 drivetrain trans and diff with driveshaft and axles. Clutch is needed more than the trans. Stock tr6060 is pretty tuff. I would source a zl1 diff pull out off ebay etc. I have the 3.73 setup and it is beefy. Also suspension parts will help tons. I have the arms all upgraded with adm billet subframe bushings and upper control arm carbon mounts. Give adm a call andy can give you all the answers you need. My setup is wicked fast for the street and eats tires like a cop does donuts

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bct10985 · 07-23-2015, 10:57 AM

I have about $2300 in my zl1 setup.

halo8hkk · 07-23-2015, 12:39 PM

I went with a street slayer clutch and a g-force 9in conversion. love them both. the 9in has a full lifetime warrantee. the stock TR606 is a beast I wouldn't worry to much about that. but you will need a stronger clutch and rear end. axels wont be enough.

GFORCE1320 · 07-23-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by halo8hkk

I went with a street slayer clutch and a g-force 9in conversion. love them both. the 9in has a full lifetime warrantee. the stock TR606 is a beast I wouldn't worry to much about that. but you will need a stronger clutch and rear end. axels wont be enough.

You can't go wrong with our 9" conversion, you now have a rear platform you can build and build adding more and more power and not worry about it. The Lifetime warranty is a nice piece of mind as well.

Thanks
Chris

GFORCE1320 · 07-23-2015, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hazy

trying to plan out what all I'm going to need for my next (hopefully) planned mods. Motor is already built for a blower, however not sure what I'm going to go with. Either way, goal is 700-750hp, and with any FI that ought to be pretty easily do-able with my setup - 416 stroker, blower cam, ported heads, etc...

SO, with all that being said, I know that there are some drivetrain upgrades that I'll probably need to do when I finally pull the trigger. My only question is that if the driveline on the M6 trans will need to be replaced entirely (zl1 rear is probably the most bang for the buck) or if merely upgrading to 1000-1400hp axles and a new driveshaft will be sufficient. **clutch is a Katech LS9X

I don't race that often, but I have been known to get on it pretty good from both a dead stop and a roll...

I know the 'right' answer is to upgrade the whole thing, but if cost is a factor, will the stock diff handle 700-750 with upgraded axles/ds? Thinking about my mental list of parts needed for this FI upgrade, it's starting to look like a 15-20k investment once you factor in parts for the FI setup, suspension, drivetrain, and labor....hopefully bonuses are good this year, otherwise I may just look into some alternative power adders....I understand a top notch nitrous setup (and relevant accessories) can be had for 2-3k...

At that power level you would be fine with adding axles and driveshaft but the rear diff will be at or over it's limit. Some people have had good luck with it staying together at that power level but some have not. With your car being a manual it's even harder on parts.

Driveshaftshop · 07-23-2015, 05:29 PM

The ZL1 diff is nice set up, we have upgraded axles and Driveshaft for that diff if you want re-assurance the set up is stout.

(oh yea we have the 9" with the new Pro-Formed housing in stock also if you want to go that way)

hazy · 07-24-2015, 10:06 AM

Hey thanks for the replies - Looks like I guess I'll be calling DSS when the time comes.

hctrble · 07-24-2015, 05:59 PM

I have purchased the DSS set up and from what my builder says this is a very nice setup, and he even wants one for his build. I am currently on a 416 build that with this rear and 3rd, member will make my car a beast in the making. Highly recommend the guys at DSS, and if they are not in your future build you will be making a very big mistake.

Steve

T-r3x · 07-25-2015, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driveshaftshop

The ZL1 diff is nice set up, we have upgraded axles and Driveshaft for that diff if you want re-assurance the set up is stout.

(oh yea we have the 9" with the new Pro-Formed housing in stock also if you want to go that way)

What's new about the new pro-formed housing?

smokum · 07-25-2015, 10:54 PM

1 zl1 third member 3.73 axels zl1brakes*
sway bar $2000 tex for pic 916-968-4403

In the zl1 for sale section.

Thats a good deal.

hazy · 07-26-2015, 04:36 PM

shit that's a steal.

Unfortunately, 2k isn't in the budget at the moment. I don't expect I'll have the scratch pulled together for a good couple months - likely early into next year. Just doing some planning/budgeting for the mods right now..

Taco Time · 08-05-2015, 11:48 AM

Hazy, keep me posted on what you decide. I'm in the same boat as you, but I'm going twin turbo.

If any of the vendors want to make a deal for two setups let us know!

hazy · 08-05-2015, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco Time

Hazy, keep me posted on what you decide. I'm in the same boat as you, but I'm going twin turbo.

If any of the vendors want to make a deal for two setups let us know!

Sounds good. I'm planning on probably pulling the trigger early next year when bonuses come out. Figure that should [hopefully!!!] give me what I need to beef up the driveline/suspension.

I've got a sinking feeling in my gut that I may also need to drop some $$ into the motor for a possible rebuild. Perks of buying used, I guess...it's burning a bit more oil than I would think, and I kind of feel like the power level is not what it used to be. Planning on getting into HP for a full workup soon (fluid changes/brake flush/etc) and I'm going to have them do a leakdown test to see if there's anything amiss. Hopefully it won't hit me too hard, but I just don't have the time to do all of this in my driveway, despite the relative ease of it all...

Soooo...long story short...unless my wife has a killer 2nd half of the year, I'll hit you up early next year once I have a firm number on what my bonus is.

Pray for fluctuation in oil prices! Being in trading, I don't care so much about the price itself, we make $$ off the volatility! Though, a higher price is probably more preferential to $45/bbl......

07-23-2015, 10:19 AM	#1
hazy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: H-Town Posts: 1,037	700-750 whp...whole new rear end needed, or axles/ds only? trying to plan out what all I'm going to need for my next (hopefully) planned mods. Motor is already built for a blower, however not sure what I'm going to go with. Either way, goal is 700-750hp, and with any FI that ought to be pretty easily do-able with my setup - 416 stroker, blower cam, ported heads, etc... SO, with all that being said, I know that there are some drivetrain upgrades that I'll probably need to do when I finally pull the trigger. My only question is that if the driveline on the M6 trans will need to be replaced entirely (zl1 rear is probably the most bang for the buck) or if merely upgrading to 1000-1400hp axles and a new driveshaft will be sufficient. **clutch is a Katech LS9X I don't race that often, but I have been known to get on it pretty good from both a dead stop and a roll... I know the 'right' answer is to upgrade the whole thing, but if cost is a factor, will the stock diff handle 700-750 with upgraded axles/ds? Thinking about my mental list of parts needed for this FI upgrade, it's starting to look like a 15-20k investment once you factor in parts for the FI setup, suspension, drivetrain, and labor....hopefully bonuses are good this year, otherwise I may just look into some alternative power adders....I understand a top notch nitrous setup (and relevant accessories) can be had for 2-3k...

07-23-2015, 10:34 AM	#2
smokum Drives: 2010 2ssrs Join Date: May 2013 Location: DFW Posts: 827 View My Garage	I have a adm/ lingenfelter 417 lsa blower gm ls3 cnc heads btr stage 3 cam on 10psi boost makes 721rwhp and 740rwtq. With a lot of room to grow. That is on 93 pump gas. I have the whole zl1 drivetrain trans and diff with driveshaft and axles. Clutch is needed more than the trans. Stock tr6060 is pretty tuff. I would source a zl1 diff pull out off ebay etc. I have the 3.73 setup and it is beefy. Also suspension parts will help tons. I have the arms all upgraded with adm billet subframe bushings and upper control arm carbon mounts. Give adm a call andy can give you all the answers you need. My setup is wicked fast for the street and eats tires like a cop does donuts.

07-23-2015, 10:57 AM	#3
bct10985 Drives: 2010 2SS LS3, 2013 duramax Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Dover, De Posts: 1,451	I have about $2300 in my zl1 setup. __________________ ECS Ysi-B, cam, Tsp 2" longtubes, Squash dual pumps, Id1300s, meth, 4L80e, FTI 3600, ZL1 3.73 diff, BMR suspension, 15" conversion, weld rts mt 275 et street R. 9.6@147mph

07-23-2015, 12:39 PM	#4
halo8hkk Drives: 2000 Z28. 2010 1SS IMB. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,081	I went with a street slayer clutch and a g-force 9in conversion. love them both. the 9in has a full lifetime warrantee. the stock TR606 is a beast I wouldn't worry to much about that. but you will need a stronger clutch and rear end. axels wont be enough. __________________ 1990 RS = First Car -SOLD 2000 Z28 = SOLD 2010 1SS/RS = Mysstique Whipple Supercharger Dyno= 618hp 555tq at the wheels IMB Silver Stripes VIN#44025 Born: 9/9/09 Delivered: 9/28/09

07-24-2015, 05:59 PM	#9
hctrble BMBLBLU Drives: Aqua Blue Metallic 2010 Camaro 1ss Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: maryland Posts: 311	I have purchased the DSS set up and from what my builder says this is a very nice setup, and he even wants one for his build. I am currently on a 416 build that with this rear and 3rd, member will make my car a beast in the making. Highly recommend the guys at DSS, and if they are not in your future build you will be making a very big mistake. Steve __________________

07-23-2015, 05:29 PM	#7
Driveshaftshop Drives: own more cars than i can list Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 1,124	The ZL1 diff is nice set up, we have upgraded axles and Driveshaft for that diff if you want re-assurance the set up is stout. (oh yea we have the 9" with the new Pro-Formed housing in stock also if you want to go that way)

07-24-2015, 10:06 AM	#8
hazy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: H-Town Posts: 1,037	Hey thanks for the replies - Looks like I guess I'll be calling DSS when the time comes.

07-25-2015, 10:54 PM	#11
smokum Drives: 2010 2ssrs Join Date: May 2013 Location: DFW Posts: 827 View My Garage	1 zl1 third member 3.73 axels zl1brakes* sway bar $2000 tex for pic 916-968-4403 In the zl1 for sale section. Thats a good deal.

07-26-2015, 04:36 PM	#12
hazy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: H-Town Posts: 1,037	shit that's a steal. Unfortunately, 2k isn't in the budget at the moment. I don't expect I'll have the scratch pulled together for a good couple months - likely early into next year. Just doing some planning/budgeting for the mods right now..

08-05-2015, 11:48 AM	#13
Taco Time Drives: 2014 1SS Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Angleton, TX Posts: 1,339 View My Garage	Hazy, keep me posted on what you decide. I'm in the same boat as you, but I'm going twin turbo. If any of the vendors want to make a deal for two setups let us know! __________________ Taco's 2014 SS Mods: 417 Stroker \| CAI \| Bo's PTB \| Kooks LTs \| Flowmaster Outlaw Catback \| Night Fury Cam \| Powerbond UDP \| Apex Catch Can \|PRC Ported Heads \|FAST 102 Intake \|Suspension Crap\| Built by J-Rod.