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TheClassicCarKid · 11-30-2009, 06:58 PM

I think it looks good, and 40mpg is pretty sweet too

UCF w00t · 11-30-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

IMO this may be the first GM car in a long time where the win is the interior.

It is a roomy car that is well thought out and the materials are top notch.

I think the main competitor will be the Corolla followed by the Korean Kia/Hyundai (same company so lump them how you see fit). And it blows them away from what I've seen.

The photos don't show all the optional content. I've seen some that look even better than these press photos.

Your points on the engines are well taken, but CAFE rules now and throwing a bigger 4 cylinder just doesn't work. Need high volumes of 35 to 40 mpg cars to average out the Camaro SSs. And the 40 mpg Cruze might just be the ticket. This will be a quiet, comfortable, economical choice. If you want more performance, Chevrolet would be happy to sell you a V6 Malibu or even a nice Camaro.

People on here need to realize that a big chunk of people in the market for a car like the Cruz think our Camaros are ugly, planet killing monsters. We aren't the Cruz's target demographic!

*DGthe3* · 11-30-2009, 08:37 PM

I don't love or hate the exterior of this car, but there is a lot more styling done on this car than the Cobalt it replaces, most notably in the front fascia and fenders. But other little touches like the trim under the windows. GM did everything they could to make the Cobalt cheap, and they succeeded. Its also why so many people hate them. This car will be a couple grand more, and inline with its competition. But it will have a nicer interior and looks like it will post better fuel economy as well.

And some of you were talking about low cost performance ... how long until some kids start turning up the boost on the turbo 1.4L? GM's tuned the thing to run on regular. It has a lot of built in potential.

a_Username · 11-30-2009, 08:41 PM

But when you "boost it up" you don't get that nice factory warranty if GM made something near a SS model.

Cmicasa the Great XvX · 11-30-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 305pride

lets see if the cruze can win races like the cobalt................ cruz is my last name so this car better be cool. lol

Did someone just compare a regular Cruze to a Cobalt SS??? Are U people even serious???

This car is already making a name for itself... both here and abroad.

Axe · 11-30-2009, 09:24 PM

Wow. Butt ugly like the Cobalt, but unlike the Cobalt, has a great interior.

305pride · 11-30-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Did someone just compare a regular Cruze to a Cobalt SS??? Are U people even serious???

This car is already making a name for itself... both here and abroad.

not the regular cruze, but if they make an ss version. obviously.

TheCaptain · 11-30-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

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CAFE has little to do with it. It's just the raw concept of developing a performance car designed to be sold to a limited audience. You can't sell them at Camaro or Corvette prices and expect to live off of that, ya know?

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Originally Posted by Number 3

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Your points on the engines are well taken, but CAFE rules now and throwing a bigger 4 cylinder just doesn't work. Need high volumes of 35 to 40 mpg cars to average out the Camaro SSs. And the 40 mpg Cruze might just be the ticket. This will be a quiet, comfortable, economical choice. If you want more performance, Chevrolet would be happy to sell you a V6 Malibu or even a nice Camaro.

This is what i meant. From what i understood, CAFE is derived from sales numbers of vehicles.
So if 500 000 thousand Cruzes (with an EPA Est. 40mpg), sell, and 50 000 Camaros sell at (EPA Est. 20 mpg), the average fleet economy stays above 35 mpg, Everybody is happy.

*NOTE: I did no math in this statement, i just threw some numbers together in order to clear up my previous statement, and try to explain my limited understanding of CAFE*

*DGthe3* · 12-01-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by a_Username

But when you "boost it up" you don't get that nice factory warranty if GM made something near a SS model.

you don't get a lower price tag either. I don't know too much about the mindset of the FWD tuner crowd, but generally I think a low cost factory turbo is more important to them than stock performance (and associated warranties). Besides, how many people have voided the warranty on their brand new Camaro with the aim of making it faster? Similar deal here, only they have half the budget.

305pride · 12-01-2009, 06:41 PM

cruze video from gm

Captain Vlad · 12-01-2009, 08:26 PM

I thought they were ugly when I first saw them in the WTCC. I still think they're ugly. Honda Civic is much prettier in my opinion, and don't the new ones have that cool digital dash?

In any case, I hope it does well. The mileage and the interior should draw some interest. Wish the larger engine still had the turbo, though.

a_Username · 12-01-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

you don't get a lower price tag either. I don't know too much about the mindset of the FWD tuner crowd, but generally I think a low cost factory turbo is more important to them than stock performance (and associated warranties). Besides, how many people have voided the warranty on their brand new Camaro with the aim of making it faster? Similar deal here, only they have half the budget.

Obviously you don't get a lower price tag. We are the minority here, most will not void their warranty just to add aftermarket parts.

Rallysport · 12-01-2009, 10:28 PM

I will wait to see the Cruze in person before I weigh in on the exterior styling. The inside looks great. As far as the civic or corolla....

a_Username · 12-03-2009, 09:47 AM

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...rolet-cruze-ss

Looks like the Cruze SS may become a reality. A Coupe Cruze SS would sell very good IMO. GM needs to build a sporty version, or lose the the market segment that the Cobalt gained.

11-30-2009, 08:37 PM	#45
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	I don't love or hate the exterior of this car, but there is a lot more styling done on this car than the Cobalt it replaces, most notably in the front fascia and fenders. But other little touches like the trim under the windows. GM did everything they could to make the Cobalt cheap, and they succeeded. Its also why so many people hate them. This car will be a couple grand more, and inline with its competition. But it will have a nicer interior and looks like it will post better fuel economy as well. And some of you were talking about low cost performance ... how long until some kids start turning up the boost on the turbo 1.4L? GM's tuned the thing to run on regular. It has a lot of built in potential. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

12-01-2009, 10:28 PM	#55
Rallysport Go Cardinals! Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS 6-speed #1879 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 856 View My Garage	I will wait to see the Cruze in person before I weigh in on the exterior styling. The inside looks great. As far as the civic or corolla.... __________________

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11-30-2009, 08:41 PM	#46
a_Username Drives: 2010 2SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 3,890 View My Garage	But when you "boost it up" you don't get that nice factory warranty if GM made something near a SS model.

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Axe Drives: 2018 LS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: poconos,pa Posts: 187	Wow. Butt ugly like the Cobalt, but unlike the Cobalt, has a great interior.

12-01-2009, 08:26 PM	#53
Captain Vlad Drives: 2010 Camaro Black 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 452 View My Garage	I thought they were ugly when I first saw them in the WTCC. I still think they're ugly. Honda Civic is much prettier in my opinion, and don't the new ones have that cool digital dash? In any case, I hope it does well. The mileage and the interior should draw some interest. Wish the larger engine still had the turbo, though.

12-03-2009, 09:47 AM	#56
a_Username Drives: 2010 2SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 3,890 View My Garage	http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...rolet-cruze-ss Looks like the Cruze SS may become a reality. A Coupe Cruze SS would sell very good IMO. GM needs to build a sporty version, or lose the the market segment that the Cobalt gained.