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LOWDOWN · 03-05-2012, 04:51 PM

Re: Plea for a ZEE...

I used to think we needed an LS7 to out-manhandle a certain LS-badged "supervisor" (along with enhanced FE4 and aaaaall the "good stuff" from the then-proposed ZL1...brakes/HD driveline/rolling-stock).

However...

The recently confirmed track times from VIR for the ZL1 vs. previous times for the Shelby (a very significant difference!) has me thinking that with a 3.73 gear, fronted by the MG9 and supported by the HD ZL1 diff/brakes/rolling-stock and topped with a Ram Air/extractor hood and Dual Mode exhaust, maybe...just maybe...the LS3 will do...

I'm beginning to think the ZL1 "system" (minus LSA) is just that good...and I'd be very surprized if The Team doesn't already know the actual answer to this "dilemma"...

And IF the LS3 will "cut the mustard", then just think what the same "hugger" would do with the gen-oo-wine forty-fied ELLIS-HEAVEN!!

Heavenly...

2cnd chance · 03-05-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wildpaws

CORRECT!! We have discussed this a bunch of times and I don't care how you add it up, a mid 40k LS7 Z/28 should easily be doable provided GM/Chevy has the willingness to do it. And yet the naysayers keeping dropping in here to explain to us how and why it cannot be done, oh ye of little faith. I've said it a bunch of times as you just did, the ZL1 is an awesome vehicle, it's just not the awesome vehicle for me. An LS7 Z/28 would be the awesome vehicle that would best meet my wants/needs.
Clyde

I could not have said it better!

ShnOmac · 03-10-2012, 08:57 PM

Let us ponder for a minute..... IF the ZL1 end's up being a "extended" delay for some reason what would that do to our chance of having a 5th Gen Z/28? Any ideas?

Fraxum · 03-10-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Let us ponder for a minute..... IF the ZL1 end's up being a "extended" delay for some reason what would that do to our chance of having a 5th Gen Z/28? Any ideas?

Less than slim? I think our only hope is the 1LE for now. For me it will do.

Pappa Joe · 03-11-2012, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Not everyone enjoys being blown...ALL the time...

Some of us do!

I have to disagree with you guys.The ZL1 is the KING of Camaros ,why would i want the Prince? (Z28).

Brad02SS · 03-11-2012, 10:05 AM

I think the 1LE would be good enough. Sure, closer to 500hp would be nice but it's pretty easy to get that from an LS3 in the aftermarket. I really want the other goodies from the ZL1- suspension, brakes, cooling equipment, wheels, etc.

wildpaws · 03-11-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad02SS

I think the 1LE would be good enough. Sure, closer to 500hp would be nice but it's pretty easy to get that from an LS3 in the aftermarket. I really want the other goodies from the ZL1- suspension, brakes, cooling equipment, wheels, etc.

I could "live" with the 1LE as presented, but I'd really rather not have to "live with" anything, I'd rather it be an awesome package from the factory to keep modifications that I have to do to a minimum.
Clyde

Fraxum · 03-11-2012, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad02SS

I think the 1LE would be good enough. Sure, closer to 500hp would be nice but it's pretty easy to get that from an LS3 in the aftermarket. I really want the other goodies from the ZL1- suspension, brakes, cooling equipment, wheels, etc.

Fraxum · 03-11-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wildpaws

I could "live" with the 1LE as presented, but I'd really rather not have to "live with" anything, I'd rather it be an awesome package from the factory to keep modifications that I have to do to a minimum.
Clyde

I agree with you more power is fun, but how much would that cost?

For $2,500 (and maybe as little as $1,500) with bolt-ons you can push the LS3 to almost 500 at the crank. Then if you ever sell the car you can swap the stock stuff back in and sell those parts for about half of what you paid.

wildpaws · 03-11-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum

I agree with you more power is fun, but how much would that cost?

For $2,500 (and maybe as little as $1,500) with bolt-ons you can push the LS3 to almost 500 at the crank. Then if you ever sell the car you can swap the stock stuff back in and sell those parts for about half of what you paid.

Your statement makes perfect sense and 20 years ago, even ten years ago I'd go for it. In the present, I don't want to spend any more time under the hood and under the car than I have to, I'm already at my limits of how many ibuprofen I can take a day and how many hours I can spend in the jaccuzzi without looking like a complete prune. Ah the beauty of old age and retirement..........NOT!! I still spend eight hours or so a day as a carpenter in the construction industry, I get off work, swallow more pills and head home for the jaccuzzi, it takes most of the weekend to recuperate enough to be ready for the following week. Automotive repairs or modifications that used to be real easy require way too much effort now and way too long time wise. Actually I get around pretty well for my age (and a lot better than some of the party animals that work with me and are 20 years younger), I just have to face the facts that things take longer for me to do now and I always get less done in a days time than I plan on.

Clyde

S-eatin-grin · 03-12-2012, 10:00 AM

Does the LS-7 come with forged pistons/internals? Nevermind...looked it up: Forged crank, cast pistons.

2cnd chance · 03-12-2012, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pappa Joe

Some of us do!

I have to disagree with you guys.The ZL1 is the KING of Camaros ,why would i want the Prince? (Z28).

You wouldn't. I would.

2cnd chance · 03-12-2012, 11:55 AM

Ahhhhh, let the compromising begin...

2cnd chance · 03-12-2012, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Your statement makes perfect sense and 20 years ago, even ten years ago I'd go for it. In the present, I don't want to spend any more time under the hood and under the car than I have to, I'm already at my limits of how many ibuprofen I can take a day and how many hours I can spend in the jaccuzzi without looking like a complete prune. Ah the beauty of old age and retirement..........NOT!! I still spend eight hours or so a day as a carpenter in the construction industry, I get off work, swallow more pills and head home for the jaccuzzi, it takes most of the weekend to recuperate enough to be ready for the following week. Automotive repairs or modifications that used to be real easy require way too much effort now and way too long time wise. Actually I get around pretty well for my age (and a lot better than some of the party animals that work with me and are 20 years younger), I just have to face the facts that things take longer for me to do now and I always get less done in a days time than I plan on.

Clyde

Yes I prefer not to tinker as well. Maybe wheels and tires...

03-05-2012, 04:51 PM	#57
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Re: Plea for a ZEE... I used to think we needed an LS7 to out-manhandle a certain LS-badged "supervisor" (along with enhanced FE4 and aaaaall the "good stuff" from the then-proposed ZL1...brakes/HD driveline/rolling-stock). However... The recently confirmed track times from VIR for the ZL1 vs. previous times for the Shelby (a very significant difference!) has me thinking that with a 3.73 gear, fronted by the MG9 and supported by the HD ZL1 diff/brakes/rolling-stock and topped with a Ram Air/extractor hood and Dual Mode exhaust, maybe...just maybe...the LS3 will do... I'm beginning to think the ZL1 "system" (minus LSA) is just that good...and I'd be very surprized if *The Team* doesn't already know the actual answer to this "dilemma"... And IF the LS3 *will* "cut the mustard", *then* just think what the same "hugger" would do with the gen-oo-wine forty-fied *ELLIS-HEAVEN!! Heavenly...* Last edited by LOWDOWN; 03-05-2012 at 05:04 PM.

03-11-2012, 10:05 AM	#62
Brad02SS Drives: 02 35th LE SS, 08 G8 GT Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Orleans Posts: 117	I think the 1LE would be good enough. Sure, closer to 500hp would be nice but it's pretty easy to get that from an LS3 in the aftermarket. I really want the other goodies from the ZL1- suspension, brakes, cooling equipment, wheels, etc. __________________ 2002 35th Anniversary Limited Edition SS Convertible- Garage Queen, SLP 345hp package, staying original 2008 G8 GT-Daily Driver/ Track Toy- Full bolt-ons, Pedderised, VMR 718 18x9.5's with Nitto NT05 275's all around

03-12-2012, 10:00 AM	#67
S-eatin-grin Drives: 2013 2SS/RS AGM Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: WV Posts: 1,170 View My Garage	Does the LS-7 come with forged pistons/internals? Nevermind...looked it up: Forged crank, cast pistons. Last edited by S-eatin-grin; 03-12-2012 at 10:43 AM.

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