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02-17-2009, 01:00 AM | #87 |
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what if they made a Z28 that was lighter because gutted out or they used lighter body parts. Engine with less HP than the LS3 but revved higher and weighed substantially less than the LS3. Special Z28 tuned suspension that would make this car handle on a closed course track and be virtually unbeatable by the competition. That would keep the Z28 history alive and true to its roots and all this for about the same MSRP as the SS?
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02-17-2009, 01:17 AM | #89 |
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02-17-2009, 01:25 AM | #91 | |
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02-17-2009, 07:17 AM | #92 |
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The z/28 was the purpose built race car back when it was released. Sadly, now days no one would buy a purpose built race car, which is why I think most people are expecting something like a LSA to overcome the weight, as opposed to a stripper with something high revving like the old 302's. I also think, given the price range the SS has been put into, if there was a new z/28, it would only fit into the puzzle above the SS.
Hate to add some fuel to the speculative fire, but everyone knows that there were only 602 z/28's made in 67. And that gm didn't release the first z/28 until late in the year. |
02-17-2009, 11:53 AM | #93 | |
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That said, an LS7 in a Camaro with fibreglass body panels (carbon fibre costs too much for minimal benefit), the Corvette's Z51 suspension, applied to a 1SS without any options might keep the car in the mid $40K range and put the weight down to 3700 lbs or so. That would be enough to equal the power to weight ratio of the GT500 but give it better handling. It would be a real stretch but I think its possible, in the theoretical sense. But given the fact that the LS7 is on its way out (along with a lot of other factors) it is practically impossible.
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02-17-2009, 12:40 PM | #94 |
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In any given year (where the SS and Z28 were sold side by side), which one of the two had the best 0-60 and 1/4 times??? Assuming both vehicles had the highest HP motor for that package?? |
02-17-2009, 01:36 PM | #95 |
Doing some digging, I found this information published online for the 69 model year.
Z28 0-60 mph, sec: 7.4 1/4 mile, sec @ mph: 15.12 @ 94.8 SS 396/375 0-60 mph, sec: 6.8 1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.7 @ 98.7 ZL1 0-60 mph, sec: 5.4 1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 13.5 @ 105 Then I found this info from Popular Hot rod magazine when they tested both cars. I have seen numbers all over the board for all cars, depending on the magazine that did the testing. Camaro SS396 396ci/375hp n/a 14.5 sec @ 100.6 mph PopularHot Rod Camaro Z/28 302ci/290hp n/a 14.7 sec @ 95.9 mph PopularHot Rod Not sure how valid any of this is as I've also seen one magazine report the 87 IROC-Z with a 350 run 15.3 @ 98, while the 305 ran 14.9 @ 95 and then another magazine will show the 350 at 15.7 @ 96, with one more magazine showing the car at 14.4!!!
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02-17-2009, 01:58 PM | #96 | |
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I think for the most part, when both were run at the same time, SSs were a tick or two faster. LT1 SSs were a little faster; LS1s, though, were about the same unless you opt'd for the SLP catback - but then, it wasn't strictly an OEM car, since it has aftermarket parts on it. That's debatable I guess though. Using the LS3 as the higher revv'ing more powerful example just makes it an LS7. With the durability testing requirements that I can remember reading about, it takes the forged crank and titanium rods for that LS7 to maintain that level of reliability that they are looking for under the testing they do. By making an LS3 rev' higher and make more power, you're talking about pretty much building an LS7, and that's going bye-bye. I'm interested in seeing what replaces the LS7. Is that going to be an LSA or Gen V? I think this will give us a better idea of what is going into a Z28 down the road. I think it'll probably be a Gen V because they want a Z06 to be light, but I don't think that'll be the way Z28 goes. Maybe they'll just get rid of the Z06 altogether... Anyways, I think if GM keeps the Z06, there's a good chance they'll get that into Camaro somewhere to help spread out the R&D money for that engine. I still have my own personal favorite for Z28, but to each his own
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