GM Reveals 2016 Cadillac CTS-V

[jon6.0]

Originally Posted by Unreal

It would surprise me since they are going to be far more blower limited than the other. With a blower swap, sure. Vengance has already done 660rwhp on a c7z, but they are saying the blower is already maxed out at that level. They are hoping with heads/cam/meth to crack 700rwhp, but that is all the 1.7L has in it.

LSA/LS9 make plenty of low end, enough to make traction just about nonexistant, so adding more low end to a PD blown v8 to me gets to the point of being silly.

Yup. Went down that road with my C6. At 625rwhp it was an awesome street car. I could hook a sticky summer tire in 2nd gear. At 750rwhp it wasn't as fun because I couldn't hook until 3rd gear. One reason I may not do a cam in my ZL1 if I can get 600-625rwhp just adding boost and porting the snout. I can add some nitrous for the 1/2 mile events so those pesky turbo BMW's don't beat me anymore.

[matt55]

Not to bad . But because I can't afford one righr now , it looks ugly , v2 ftw, bet it has cooling problems, price is to high .....
Maybe in 2-3 years I can pick up a nice used one .

[lbls1]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Seeing as the CTS-V sedan, wagon and coupe have been sporting 556hp for several years now, it is the Hellcat Charger that is playing catchup (the 300 just called it quits). The V3 may have less power but it will also weigh 500lbs less and come with wider rubber. Ultimately these cars are not cross shopped as one is a luxury car and the other is a mainstream brand.

Good point; Cadillac will need to focus on the combination of luxury and power, since 640 hp alone isn't really raising eyebrows with the Hellcat sedan present. The power rating is outstanding, but its the fact that the hp competition has heated up between the domestic brands to such a point, that IMO one doesn't readily get impressed by a given hp rating by itself.

[mlee]

I REALLY like this one...

[Mikamaro]

Monstrous!

[RubyCamaro]

But are they still going to make the coupe? It just looks sooooooooooo much better.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

Well, this means that our next ZL1 will atleast have 650+ hp in the next gen edition and also this means that whatever's taking the old ZR1's place in the Corvette lineup is gonna be truely wicked.

No ... it means that the new CTS-V has 640 hp. Anything more is speculation & conjecture.

We don't know if there is going to be a new ZL1, or if there is going to be anything replacing the ZR1. So I don't see how you can say what either car will be based off this.

And honestly, I don't see how this in anyway forecasts a new ultra high performance Corvette. In the last generation, shortly after the most powerful Corvette ever came out, the CTS-V got a less powerful variant of the engine in that car. Now, shortly after the most powerful Corvette ever came out, the CTS-V is getting a less powerful variant of the engine in that car.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by lbls1

A very fitting CTS-V finally. Unless GM is saving the HP tweak for the next ZL, Cadillac will have to play catch up in some aspect of its performance now that the Hellcat has arrived.

Who'd ever think that 640 hp wasn't enough?????

Based on the released weight of 4145 lbs/640hp=6.48 lb/hp, compared to the Charger at 4562/707=6.45 lb/hp, it ends up being pretty damn close.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

Based on the released weight of 4145 lbs/640hp=6.48 lb/hp, compared to the Charger at 4562/707=6.45 lb/hp, it ends up being pretty damn close.

Yes, the two cars are very evenly matched in terms of numbers. However, I'm willing to bet good money that the CTS-V will be the better balanced of the two.

I suspect however the CTS-V is going to command a fairly healthy premium over the Hellcharger. The current -V already matches the Hellcat in price, and this car is better equipped. It will not shock me if the CTS-V commands a $6,000 jump over the Dodge.

[MaroSS]

Anyone else catch the NO manual transmission?

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by MaroSS

Anyone else catch the NO manual transmission?

Yeah, but maybe they'll fix that in a year or two.

[hotlap]

I wonder if the drop to 640 HP, 630 lb-ft is the result of wet sump. Otherwise the same. It is labeled LT4

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I wonder if the drop to 640 HP, 630 lb-ft is the result of wet sump. Otherwise the same. It is labeled LT4

Probably a fairly healthy combination of things, not limited to the wet sump system, a more restrictive exhaust path and maybe an intake difference. The same thing happened when the V6 was transplanted over from the old CTS when the 5th gens first came out. They used the old ratings from the CTS, but when they recertified it for the Camaro it gained power due to a different arrangement.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Probably a fairly healthy combination of things, not limited to the wet sump system, a more restrictive exhaust path and maybe an intake difference. The same thing happened when the V6 was transplanted over from the old CTS when the 5th gens first came out. They used the old ratings from the CTS, but when they recertified it for the Camaro it gained power due to a different arrangement.

Good points. Significant is that the LT4 is being put directly into another car without detuning to protect Corvette. Any losses appear to be incidental