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litle88 · 03-10-2013, 08:04 PM

I agree 5 lol

But hey if your guys say get it then go for it bud.

Mchlgrrsn · 03-10-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonpope2003

OK that's cool your post made it sound like you thought cais in general were worthless.
Fair enough.

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All good. You should have CAI just don't obsess over the brand they all do the same thing. I'm not a fan of the power wedge .. Better ?

litle88 · 03-10-2013, 08:07 PM

Better!! Haha

hapisok · 03-10-2013, 08:15 PM

why does it always come down to how much HP something makes? ported TB's show some gains...but the most important improvement is throttle response. why some people get so caught up in chasing numbers they forget there are other variables in the mix is beyond me.

i haven't done before and after testing with mine, but i suppose next time i hop on the dyno i will. and i'll do it in conjunction with a ported TB just for S&G's.

looking forward to your results OP.

axis · 03-10-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hapisok

why does it always come down to how much HP something makes? ported TB's show some gains...but the most important improvement is throttle response. why some people get so caught up in chasing numbers they forget there are other variables in the mix is beyond me.

That's easy. Show me any tangible graph that can show the increase in throttle response of a wedge vs stock. Opinion and SOP is so subjective it's not even funny. We have guys stating their new exhaust free'd up 20+whp on their cars and will SWEAR to it, just because it feels 20whp faster. Do you believe them too? If you want to make claims on here, we need them to be backed up with some kind of proof. My throttle response feels faster just doesn't cut it.

VADER SS L99 · 03-10-2013, 11:46 PM

A shop with a engine dyno in a controlled environment should test this. It would put this debate to rest. Same goes for the ported TB.

Falundir · 03-10-2013, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

A shop with a engine dyno in a controlled environment should test this. It would put this debate to rest. Same goes for the ported TB.

It has been tested by a few different shops and all showed gains, however many people still don't want to believe the results.

axis · 03-11-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Falundir

It has been tested by a few different shops and all showed gains, however many people still don't want to believe the results.

Not talking HP gains, but TR improvement. A dyno won't show that.

Smirnoff · 03-11-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

That's easy. Show me any tangible graph that can show the increase in throttle response of a wedge vs stock. Opinion and SOP is so subjective it's not even funny. We have guys stating their new exhaust free'd up 20+whp on their cars and will SWEAR to it, just because it feels 20whp faster. Do you believe them too? If you want to make claims on here, we need them to be backed up with some kind of proof. My throttle response feels faster just doesn't cut it.

Exactly....!!!

Placebo: "I spent some money on a POS & it must make more HP because I spent some money"......

With all the TB acceleration placebo delays - all sheeples should immediately take their car to the dealer for warranty service to repair for free. And for those on the cheap, maybe you can stealer beg for a $1.00 off coupon for an increase in HP oil change (begins with the letter Z), gee.....

dcoates18481 · 03-11-2013, 07:07 AM

It's amazing how much "press" this little piece of plastic gets....both good and bad.

Try it, if you don't like it sell it or return it...either way, there's no shortage of buyers for it.

hapisok · 03-11-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

That's easy. Show me any tangible graph that can show the increase in throttle response of a wedge vs stock. Opinion and SOP is so subjective it's not even funny. We have guys stating their new exhaust free'd up 20+whp on their cars and will SWEAR to it, just because it feels 20whp faster. Do you believe them too? If you want to make claims on here, we need them to be backed up with some kind of proof. My throttle response feels faster just doesn't cut it.

the only way i know to test throttle response is at the track. unfortunately, im not going any time soon. and even then, i am too much of a variable to provide consistent results. ...so...that being said.

did i need a dyno to realize the gains made from adding LT's? NOPE
did i need a dyno to realize the gains from my CAI? NOPE
or how about when i added my 3.91 gears? NOPE (its quick as shyt)
ported TB to be added to this list soon...

...just sayin.

yes, a dyno or 1/4 mi is nice when looking for the actual gain made with the addition of each part. i agree that you really won't feel a HP increase of anything under 10 (especially on an LS3). i disagree when it comes to throttle response (what i see as a direct result of added TQ). you can feel the difference in throttle response, you can hear, and see it. the car responds quicker, you can hear the engine rev up quicker, and you can see the RPM's climb faster. thats all the proof i need. but you'll probably tell me that my uncalibrated but dyno is off

anyhow, whats it gonna hurt? vararam will return it if you don't like it anyway.

i'll keep enjoying my placebo effect...

Firefighter · 03-11-2013, 08:13 AM

This thing seems too easy to add to not do if you are adding a ported TB. Looking at the pics the concept seems logical enough. $100 is almost nothing when you think that it costs almost $80 to fill a Camaro from empty. What can it hurt?

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VADER SS L99 · 03-11-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Falundir

It has been tested by a few different shops and all showed gains, however many people still don't want to believe the results.

Please tell me what shop tested this on a engine dyno? A engine dyno is completely different from a chassis dyno because you can completely control the environment and all testing paramiters.

ssmike · 03-11-2013, 08:46 AM

Oh man this subject has been beat to death!

Let's all agree to disagree and move on! Strange thing is I keep coming back to read this thread even though I know it's a loosing argument no matter what! I was thinking about getting one because I do believe in the feel you might get with throttle response but I'm installing 3.91's soon and I think THAT will give me all the throttle response I need!

I'll put that $100 to better use to help pay for the gears install!

03-10-2013, 08:04 PM	#29
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	I agree 5 lol But hey if your guys say get it then go for it bud. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

03-10-2013, 08:07 PM	#31
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Better!! Haha __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

03-10-2013, 08:15 PM	#32
hapisok crazier than a coconut Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 1,547	why does it always come down to how much HP something makes? ported TB's show some gains...but the most important improvement is throttle response. why some people get so caught up in chasing numbers they forget there are other variables in the mix is beyond me. i haven't done before and after testing with mine, but i suppose next time i hop on the dyno i will. and i'll do it in conjunction with a ported TB just for S&G's. looking forward to your results OP. __________________

03-10-2013, 11:46 PM	#34
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	A shop with a engine dyno in a controlled environment should test this. It would put this debate to rest. Same goes for the ported TB. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

03-11-2013, 07:07 AM	#38
dcoates18481 Drives: 2010 CAMARO RALLY YELLOW SS/RS/M6 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Aransas Pass Texas Posts: 565 View My Garage	It's amazing how much "press" this little piece of plastic gets....both good and bad. Try it, if you don't like it sell it or return it...either way, there's no shortage of buyers for it. __________________ I LIKE TO GO FAST! Lethal Racing Night Fury Cam Kit, Melling oil pump, C5R Timing Chain, Dyno Tuned by Shawn@Lethal Racing, Vararam Tuned intake, Vararam Power Wedge, LSR Tri Ax Short throw Shifter, VMAX Ported T/B, TSP 2" L/T Headers, TSP Cat delete, Borla axle back exhaust, Innovate A/F monitor, 471.7 HP/438.8 TQ

03-11-2013, 08:13 AM	#40
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	This thing seems too easy to add to not do if you are adding a ported TB. Looking at the pics the concept seems logical enough. $100 is almost nothing when you think that it costs almost $80 to fill a Camaro from empty. What can it hurt? Sent from my friggin Droid by two thumbs using Tapatalk 2 or whatever the ish it's called.... __________________ My Build Thread... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054

03-11-2013, 08:46 AM	#42
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,840	Oh man this subject has been beat to death! Let's all agree to disagree and move on! Strange thing is I keep coming back to read this thread even though I know it's a loosing argument no matter what! I was thinking about getting one because I do believe in the feel you might get with throttle response but I'm installing 3.91's soon and I think THAT will give me all the throttle response I need! I'll put that $100 to better use to help pay for the gears install!