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forklord · 06-14-2013, 09:49 PM

used the boost line to control it. "T"ed into the brake booster line, but it wont turn on at all. but when i blew real hard in the line ,even with the settings all the way down, it worked. but man my lungs could barely take it lol...

so now im just gonna wire it off the maf instead. do i just "T" into the output signal wire?? i think i may need to make a nice solder connection here....i suck at soldering...and im an electrician lol

forklord · 06-17-2013, 06:08 PM

so i "t"ed into the yellow on the maf with the maf wire on the controller. as soon as i turn the key its pumping full blast regardless of setting. is the yellow on the maf the sensor signal output? it must be cuz all i got is red black and yellow....ARGH. did i wire it right?

blake-b · 06-17-2013, 06:14 PM

You can run it off the map or maf. If using the maf, you will need a converter to ramp it up as needed or it will run full blast. If running off the map you would "t" into the output wire. You obviously want meth ramped up according to airflow (maf) OR boost (map). You cant do both.

Alky control makes a maf box you wire into the maf wiring. I am sure others do too.

forklord · 06-17-2013, 06:23 PM

well crap...this will be the third time redoing this lol. where the heck is my map sensor? in some stupid location no doubt.

my maf is probly screwed now. soaked in meth. i think i might leave it for the shop when they do my fuel system...lol

blake-b · 06-17-2013, 07:20 PM

The map sensor is in your intake right behind and left of the tb. Google map sensor and you will see what it looks like. Meth wont ruin the sensor. It evaporates very quickly. Your maf should be before the meth nozzles. The meth hitting the maf will make it crazy. It your iat sensor still in the stock location? If so, you need to move it after the meth nozzles so the pcm will register the cooler temps.

forklord · 06-17-2013, 07:25 PM

car wasnt running so maf is soaked...its right after the maf but it sprayed so much its dripping out of the airbox....i have an eforce so the iat sensor is on the back...i think the map is on the back as well...there wre two sensors there...

forklord · 06-17-2013, 07:29 PM

so it looks like the eforce uses a tmap sensor which is iat and map all in one...hmm. should it still be a light green like on the ls1's? cant find any info

blake-b · 06-17-2013, 08:35 PM

I am not familiar with the eforce setup at all but the theory should be the same.

BLACK10 · 06-17-2013, 10:30 PM

The eforce needs to run off of MAF for meth or it will spray too often. Usually if you turn it on and it sprays constatly it means you have a bad ground. We have installed meth on eforces before with no issues.

If using the SNOW KIT, they have their own converter box. The digital box wont work with the eforce/maf. Be sure it is set to the maf frequency

forklord · 06-18-2013, 12:48 AM

i may be screwed then. i have the maf/boost controller, but it didnt come with instructions or converter because its the "boost" kit. so i wonder if the converter box will even work? i hope so...

realcanuk · 06-18-2013, 06:25 AM

The same kit will work with the maf converter. You just need to get it and wire it properly. Snow must give directions with it. It is not difficult to install. The TMAP does is not involved in the install and doesnt have to be touched. You have to be carefull where you mount the nozzle (s) so that it doesnt soak the maf. I would post a picture of my eforce install but it wont help as the CAI on the vette is a different shape than a camaro.

forklord · 06-18-2013, 10:42 AM

yeah im waiting for snow to call back. they never do...sigh.
yeah i think i need to order a new maf unless itll work after drying for 24 hours... i guess itl throw a code or run like shit right away if its done right?

there isnt much room on the eforce to put the nozzle. when i get the speed shop to put in my injectors and fuel pump im gonna get them to put the nozzle post charge maybe. see what happens. or how about a dual nozzle with one pre charge and one post charge! has anyone ever done that? lol

realcanuk · 06-18-2013, 10:48 AM

I dont know exactly how the camaro CAI looks. You can see on my vette the nozzle is mounted about as far from the maf as possible, and not spraying in that direction. I have since mounted a second nozzle on the opposite side, about the same distance. Your maf should be ok once it dries.

forklord · 06-18-2013, 11:21 AM

awesome, thanks. looks like your maf is in your bumper lol. a corvette would be nice...but camaro engine bay is tight enough as is! eep.

06-14-2013, 09:49 PM	#1
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	issue with methanol system used the boost line to control it. "T"ed into the brake booster line, but it wont turn on at all. but when i blew real hard in the line ,even with the settings all the way down, it worked. but man my lungs could barely take it lol... so now im just gonna wire it off the maf instead. do i just "T" into the output signal wire?? i think i may need to make a nice solder connection here....i suck at soldering...and im an electrician lol __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad Last edited by forklord; 06-16-2013 at 09:48 AM. Reason: sorry i suck at wording things and missed some info

06-17-2013, 06:08 PM	#2
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	so i "t"ed into the yellow on the maf with the maf wire on the controller. as soon as i turn the key its pumping full blast regardless of setting. is the yellow on the maf the sensor signal output? it must be cuz all i got is red black and yellow....ARGH. did i wire it right? __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad

06-17-2013, 06:23 PM	#4
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	well crap...this will be the third time redoing this lol. where the heck is my map sensor? in some stupid location no doubt. my maf is probly screwed now. soaked in meth. i think i might leave it for the shop when they do my fuel system...lol __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad Last edited by forklord; 06-17-2013 at 06:37 PM.

06-17-2013, 07:25 PM	#6
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	car wasnt running so maf is soaked...its right after the maf but it sprayed so much its dripping out of the airbox....i have an eforce so the iat sensor is on the back...i think the map is on the back as well...there wre two sensors there... __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad

06-17-2013, 07:29 PM	#7
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	so it looks like the eforce uses a tmap sensor which is iat and map all in one...hmm. should it still be a light green like on the ls1's? cant find any info __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad

06-17-2013, 06:14 PM	#3
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	You can run it off the map or maf. If using the maf, you will need a converter to ramp it up as needed or it will run full blast. If running off the map you would "t" into the output wire. You obviously want meth ramped up according to airflow (maf) OR boost (map). You cant do both. Alky control makes a maf box you wire into the maf wiring. I am sure others do too.

06-17-2013, 07:20 PM	#5
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	The map sensor is in your intake right behind and left of the tb. Google map sensor and you will see what it looks like. Meth wont ruin the sensor. It evaporates very quickly. Your maf should be before the meth nozzles. The meth hitting the maf will make it crazy. It your iat sensor still in the stock location? If so, you need to move it after the meth nozzles so the pcm will register the cooler temps.

06-17-2013, 08:35 PM	#8
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	I am not familiar with the eforce setup at all but the theory should be the same.

06-17-2013, 10:30 PM	#9
BLACK10 Drives: 2010 CAMARO. 10.04@133mph, 1.4 60' Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 4,585	The eforce needs to run off of MAF for meth or it will spray too often. Usually if you turn it on and it sprays constatly it means you have a bad ground. We have installed meth on eforces before with no issues. If using the SNOW KIT, they have their own converter box. The digital box wont work with the eforce/maf. Be sure it is set to the maf frequency

06-18-2013, 12:48 AM	#10
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	i may be screwed then. i have the maf/boost controller, but it didnt come with instructions or converter because its the "boost" kit. so i wonder if the converter box will even work? i hope so... __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad

06-18-2013, 06:25 AM	#11
realcanuk Drives: 2007 Corvette C6 983 RWHP Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 690	The same kit will work with the maf converter. You just need to get it and wire it properly. Snow must give directions with it. It is not difficult to install. The TMAP does is not involved in the install and doesnt have to be touched. You have to be carefull where you mount the nozzle (s) so that it doesnt soak the maf. I would post a picture of my eforce install but it wont help as the CAI on the vette is a different shape than a camaro. __________________ 2007 C6 vert, auto, F55, LT3 LME LS402 , WCCH 245 Heads, Pat G. Custom cam YSI / 3.0 pulley, ARH 1 7/8 headers, NPP Dewitts / dual spals, A&A dual pump fuel system. 3.42 polished gears, hardened shafts, Alky control meth, Cartech line lock, ECS axle loops, Trans brace, 6L80 built by me. ID 1000 injectors, comp rockers, Morel lifters, BT springs, Trend 3/8 pushrods, ATI 10% OD Damper Circle D Triple Disc stall 1009 RWHP @ 7000, 817 RWTQ @ 6000,

06-18-2013, 10:42 AM	#12
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	yeah im waiting for snow to call back. they never do...sigh. yeah i think i need to order a new maf unless itll work after drying for 24 hours... i guess itl throw a code or run like shit right away if its done right? there isnt much room on the eforce to put the nozzle. when i get the speed shop to put in my injectors and fuel pump im gonna get them to put the nozzle post charge maybe. see what happens. or how about a dual nozzle with one pre charge and one post charge! has anyone ever done that? lol __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad

06-18-2013, 10:48 AM	#13
realcanuk Drives: 2007 Corvette C6 983 RWHP Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 690	I dont know exactly how the camaro CAI looks. You can see on my vette the nozzle is mounted about as far from the maf as possible, and not spraying in that direction. I have since mounted a second nozzle on the opposite side, about the same distance. Your maf should be ok once it dries. __________________ 2007 C6 vert, auto, F55, LT3 LME LS402 , WCCH 245 Heads, Pat G. Custom cam YSI / 3.0 pulley, ARH 1 7/8 headers, NPP Dewitts / dual spals, A&A dual pump fuel system. 3.42 polished gears, hardened shafts, Alky control meth, Cartech line lock, ECS axle loops, Trans brace, 6L80 built by me. ID 1000 injectors, comp rockers, Morel lifters, BT springs, Trend 3/8 pushrods, ATI 10% OD Damper Circle D Triple Disc stall 1009 RWHP @ 7000, 817 RWTQ @ 6000,

06-18-2013, 11:21 AM	#14
forklord Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 800	awesome, thanks. looks like your maf is in your bumper lol. a corvette would be nice...but camaro engine bay is tight enough as is! eep. __________________ 2010 2SS- 562whp/634wtq 12 psi on3 turbo 78mm magnum /w aem truboost, pat g cam, Kooks 3" catback, Factory Rep 41s with 285/315 20" michelin PSS, Snow Meth, Hex Hood Vents, ZL1 FP & ADM FPCM /w JMS BAP, ID 850s, DSS lvl 4 axles & aluminum 1 piece D/S, Total Pro BMR bushings, fe4 sways, toe rods & trailing arms, Prothane engine mounts, MGW shifter, eaton true trac, mantic 9000 clutch, idealg master cylinder, JDP clutch oil reservoir, ram clutch pedal adjust, Tick clutch & bleed lines, Dewitts Rad