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stovt001 · 03-14-2010, 05:22 PM

Open Letter to the owner of the RJT 2LT RS at the Air Centro Air Show

You: Camaro jacket and cap, older middle-age
Me: Grey shirt, blue jeans, early 20s

Your Camaro was on display in the car section at the El Centro air show on Saturday, March 13 2010. I walked up with my father, and explained that was the exact color (including CGM hood stripes) my wife and I want if we get a Camaro, but also mentioned it showed orange peel and some examples had mismatched bumpers/front fascias. You overheard and got very defensive. You demonstrated your knowledge of captured test fleet and other topics we've discussed here, so you might be a member here. I, being a member, knew these things too.

Just to clear the air, I meant no offense. I love the color. It is my favorite, with CGM and IBM close behind. However, like black RJT is a high maintenance color that highlights flaws and has some real drawbacks. I wasn't criticizing your car, just walking my dad through the pros and cons of the color. First, all cars in this price range have orange-peel from the factory. The Camaro is better than some, worse than others, but nothing out of the ordinary. Just a fact of life. I've accepted it. Also, I insisted that I wasn't referring to your front bumper/fascia being mismatched in shade, just early examples. Well that's not entirely true. Your front fascia was slightly off. Not as bad as early examples, but not perfect either.

Anyway, I understand we're a passionate bunch here, but you came off a bit strong. If I wasn't a Camaro fan, I'd be a bit scarred of them now. Good news is, after we walked away, my dad asked how much they ran and said that might just be his perfect mid-life crisis car.

PS. Hey everyone! I'm back. Its been a while. Job issues have kept me away, and I likely will only be around rarely from here forward, but I'll try to stop by when I can. I still love this site.

edit: sorry for the typo in the title.

Pig Dog · 03-15-2010, 02:08 AM

I have shown cars for over thirty years and nothing irritates me more than spectators who find it necessary to point out every flaw they see in my car. Trust me, I was aware of each flaw without having someone pointing them out to me. Like my Granddad use to say, If you do not have anything nice to say, it is often better to say nothing!

alcal1084 · 03-15-2010, 06:57 PM

haha i too was at the air show and talked with the owner of that car!! he is on camaro5 but i cant remember his name... but his reaction to your comments had nothing to do with his passion for his car the guy was a stupid Ahole!!! he was a retired navy vet. and is working at a local middle school now. i was there with my cousin and my dad, my cousin is really interested in joining the navy so my father ask the guy for some advice to give to my cousin and all the guy could come up with is "WAIT A LITTLE BIT AND ONLY JOIN UNDER A REPUBLICAN"! what kind of advice is that?

alcal1084 · 03-15-2010, 07:04 PM

he kept on with the same BS never giving any good advice at all... i just didn't like the guy! he was a wast of time i just wish i could have brought my car inside, i had to park it out in the mud... it was the CGM V6 RS!!! i would have at least gave the people there a better idea of how a Camaro owner should act!!!

fixxxer525 · 03-15-2010, 08:16 PM

Not all Navy guys are such idiots. I was stationed out there for a couple years and never acted like that towards people asking me questions. I worked in the control tower as an Air Traffic Controller. I may look like a dick but Im a nice guy. Sounds like someone's still bitter towards the Navy and life.

stovt001 · 04-03-2010, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pig Dog

I have shown cars for over thirty years and nothing irritates me more than spectators who find it necessary to point out every flaw they see in my car. Trust me, I was aware of each flaw without having someone pointing them out to me. Like my Granddad use to say, If you do not have anything nice to say, it is often better to say nothing!

To clarify, I didn't point those things out to the guy. I completely understand what you're saying and yeah, no one needs those things pointed out to them. I just whispered them to my dad, because they're legitimate concerns I have with that paint color. Maybe it is just me, but RJT is kinda like black, showing flaws more clearly than some other colors. I tried to be discreet about this for the exact reasons you mentioned, but the guy overheard anyway. I'd never say anything critical directly to him. After all, he had enough taste to order my favorite color and stripe combination.

SS 376 · 04-03-2010, 08:55 PM

The guy sounds like a douchebag. It's not like you walked up to him and said Camaros suck. Still, I wouldn't have badmouthed the car and not expected him to say something.

ron10 · 04-03-2010, 09:08 PM

yea,you should not have said anything that he could hear.silence is golden.

gabraddock · 04-03-2010, 10:13 PM

Can't we all just get along?

2010 SSRS · 04-04-2010, 01:48 PM

wow

johndawg · 04-04-2010, 02:11 PM

well... There's one thing that I have learned over the years. If can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Nobody made him enter the car into the show and you have the right to say what ever you want about his car, their car, my car or your car.

I mean... seriously. I don't expect everyone to like everything I do. I like to think that my photography work is good, but it's not for everyone and sometimes it takes some thick skin to get over some comments.

With that said... I guarantee RJT is easier to take care of than black. While I have black, I have really grown to appreciate the RJT color. I wouldn't mind having some RJT stripes painted on my Black one day.

03-14-2010, 05:22 PM	#1
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,812	El Centro Air Show Camaro Open Letter to the owner of the RJT 2LT RS at the Air Centro Air Show You: Camaro jacket and cap, older middle-age Me: Grey shirt, blue jeans, early 20s Your Camaro was on display in the car section at the El Centro air show on Saturday, March 13 2010. I walked up with my father, and explained that was the exact color (including CGM hood stripes) my wife and I want if we get a Camaro, but also mentioned it showed orange peel and some examples had mismatched bumpers/front fascias. You overheard and got very defensive. You demonstrated your knowledge of captured test fleet and other topics we've discussed here, so you might be a member here. I, being a member, knew these things too. Just to clear the air, I meant no offense. I love the color. It is my favorite, with CGM and IBM close behind. However, like black RJT is a high maintenance color that highlights flaws and has some real drawbacks. I wasn't criticizing your car, just walking my dad through the pros and cons of the color. First, all cars in this price range have orange-peel from the factory. The Camaro is better than some, worse than others, but nothing out of the ordinary. Just a fact of life. I've accepted it. Also, I insisted that I wasn't referring to your front bumper/fascia being mismatched in shade, just early examples. Well that's not entirely true. Your front fascia was slightly off. Not as bad as early examples, but not perfect either. Anyway, I understand we're a passionate bunch here, but you came off a bit strong. If I wasn't a Camaro fan, I'd be a bit scarred of them now. Good news is, after we walked away, my dad asked how much they ran and said that might just be his perfect mid-life crisis car. PS. Hey everyone! I'm back. Its been a while. Job issues have kept me away, and I likely will only be around rarely from here forward, but I'll try to stop by when I can. I still love this site. edit: sorry for the typo in the title. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

04-04-2010, 01:48 PM	#10
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04-04-2010, 02:11 PM	#11
johndawg I'd rather be shooting... Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Black/Black Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 1,116 View My Garage	well... There's one thing that I have learned over the years. If can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Nobody made him enter the car into the show and you have the right to say what ever you want about his car, their car, my car or your car. I mean... seriously. I don't expect everyone to like everything I do. I like to think that my photography work is good, but it's not for everyone and sometimes it takes some thick skin to get over some comments. With that said... I guarantee RJT is easier to take care of than black. While I have black, I have really grown to appreciate the RJT color. I wouldn't mind having some RJT stripes painted on my Black one day. __________________ Follow Us on The Official Photographer of the 2010, 2011 & 2012 Camaro5 Fests!!! www.theshuttergroup.com

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03-15-2010, 02:08 AM	#2
Pig Dog Drives: Red/Black 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Tustin, CA Posts: 10	I have shown cars for over thirty years and nothing irritates me more than spectators who find it necessary to point out every flaw they see in my car. Trust me, I was aware of each flaw without having someone pointing them out to me. Like my Granddad use to say, If you do not have anything nice to say, it is often better to say nothing!

03-15-2010, 06:57 PM	#3
alcal1084 Drives: 2012 45TH AE SS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 553	haha i too was at the air show and talked with the owner of that car!! he is on camaro5 but i cant remember his name... but his reaction to your comments had nothing to do with his passion for his car the guy was a stupid Ahole!!! he was a retired navy vet. and is working at a local middle school now. i was there with my cousin and my dad, my cousin is really interested in joining the navy so my father ask the guy for some advice to give to my cousin and all the guy could come up with is "WAIT A LITTLE BIT AND ONLY JOIN UNDER A REPUBLICAN"! what kind of advice is that?

03-15-2010, 07:04 PM	#4
alcal1084 Drives: 2012 45TH AE SS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 553	he kept on with the same BS never giving any good advice at all... i just didn't like the guy! he was a wast of time i just wish i could have brought my car inside, i had to park it out in the mud... it was the CGM V6 RS!!! i would have at least gave the people there a better idea of how a Camaro owner should act!!!

03-15-2010, 08:16 PM	#5
fixxxer525 Account Suspended Drives: 01S10,01CBR600,05Ducati, 10 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 377	Not all Navy guys are such idiots. I was stationed out there for a couple years and never acted like that towards people asking me questions. I worked in the control tower as an Air Traffic Controller. I may look like a dick but Im a nice guy. Sounds like someone's still bitter towards the Navy and life.

04-03-2010, 08:55 PM	#7
SS 376 Drives: 2010 IBM 1SS (Former) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NoVA Posts: 2,032	The guy sounds like a douchebag. It's not like you walked up to him and said Camaros suck. Still, I wouldn't have badmouthed the car and not expected him to say something.

04-03-2010, 09:08 PM	#8
ron10 Drives: 2010 2SS IOM L99 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: LOUISVILLE,KY.. Posts: 7,545	yea,you should not have said anything that he could hear.silence is golden.

04-03-2010, 10:13 PM	#9
gabraddock Drives: 2010 Chevy Camaro Rally Yellow Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fremont, Bay Area, Ca Posts: 1,407 View My Garage	Can't we all just get along?