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Old 03-31-2013, 02:04 PM   #12335
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I guess, as a consumer (i.e. paying customer), I mistook the business case's "necessity" to build (and therefore price) the Z/28 to levels beyond the ZL1 (as a track car/star) to receive corporate approval.

I always considered the possibility of building/pricing the Z/28 below the "all-conquerring" ZL1, and we'd have an interesting time at Lightning Lap watching the two fight it out for supremacy.

However, with the realities faced by all concerned, it DOES make sense to build the "COPO-like Track Star" the way it's being built, brakes and all. It secures the Z/28 in that sought-after perch, while leaving the price point within reason of the ZL1.

If "life is all about choices", we the fortunate have one that, prior to 12:49 PM EDST 27 March 2013, the vast majority had given up on...or simply didn't care... I also find in "interesting" that a good deal of the "negativity" surrounding this car, on camaro5, seems to be coming from ZL1-centered folks...
That much of the negativity about the Z/28 is coming from ZL1 centered folks should not be surprising. Remember all the negativity from the SS centered folks when the ZL1 was announced?
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:21 PM   #12336
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There is a lot more to this thread than the Z/28...... Much much more. It's odd how you can consider someone you never met a friend. I have met many of them in this thread alone...

For once I am going to have to disagree with ya.... It may have my name on it but this is "OUR" house!
Seems that CSN&Y have shown up here, before. Let them share "OUR" anthem, and we can sing along:



Someone's singing off-key...it must be ME...



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Old 03-31-2013, 03:27 PM   #12337
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There is a lot more to this thread than the Z/28...... Much much more. It's odd how you can consider someone you never met a friend. I have met many of them in this thread alone.....




For once I am going to have to disagree with ya.... It may have my name on it but this is "OUR" house!
It was YOUR house Mac, but Mac being Mac has made it OUR House.



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It would certainly be nice if GM wanted to sell the Z/28 at a loss just so we could have it. But Ackerson has been pretty clear publicly that GM isn't in that business. There may have been a day when they could have done that but with the US Treasury still holding a lot of stock I think if would be harder to justify any program without a great business case.

Now if part of the business case is the value of thumbing your nose at the competition to just show off how good your engineering is then maybe there is a shot at the price point we are hoping for.


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Seems that CSN&Y have shown up here, before. Let them share "OUR" anthem, and we can sing along:



Someone's singing off-key...it must be ME...

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Old 03-31-2013, 03:33 PM   #12338
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Ok let's simply speculate.

GM had a 1LE "track car" that made some people quite happy.

GM had a ZL1 "All purpose car" that made another group of people really happy.

So lets say you are sitting around and you reeeeaaaaaally have a passion for the Z/28 name plate. And someone comes up and says, "gee Mr. R, we already have both of these other cars and they are equally awesome in their own right. All the tweaking we can do on the chassis and no engine change would simply PUTTING THE BADGE ON A CAR. Is that what you want?"

"Heck NO!!!!"

"Hmmmmmm, how many LS7s can we manage to get? Only a few thousand you say? Does that make the car worthy of this historic badge?"

"Not yet Mr. R. With MR shocks, great tires and the LSA that we tweaked the heck out of for the ZL1 you would still have a car less capable around the track."

"So with all this light weighting we've done on the Corvette over the years and that white Camaro SSX we built for SEMA aren't there things we can do to lighten that car? I mean we already know how to do this stuff, we simply have to choose to do it right? I mean, don't we read our own press releases? Didn't our engineers write a whole bunch of SAE papers on how to light weight a car? Am I the only one that remember what we've done that last 10 years to get weight out of our cars?"

"Yes, Mr. R, we can do all those things we've done to Corvettes, the Camaro SSX and even the Cruze Eco. We can do all those things. But now you've gone almost all the way."

"What do you mean?".

"The last piece in our arsenal is the brakes. That is what makes a track car and we know this from also from the Corvette."

"How much would that add?"

"It's about $5,000 on the Z06, but it is THE difference maker. It would be the statement maker, Mr. R. It alone will make teh Z/28 faster on the track than the ZL1"

"Hmmmmm, how would we have to price a car with all of this on it?"

"It would have to be high. It will also be rare due to the LS7, and if we make it so spartan only the TRUE DIE HARDS will want one anyway. There will be few posers that will want a car like this just to drive to work. So the price will simply be in line with the volume."

"But, Mr. R, it will be as fast as we can make this car go around the track................unless you let us eliminate OnStar too. Now THAT would make a statement"
So that's what it's like to be a fly on the wall, eh?
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:48 PM   #12339
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So that's what it's like to be a fly on the wall, eh?
Like I said that's just my guess. I have no idea what went on behind closed doors or who was there. But I have heard Mr. R was a strong voice for this track tour de force.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:03 PM   #12340
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:08 PM   #12341
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If "life is all about choices", we the fortunate have one that, prior to 12:49 PM EDST 27 March 2013, the vast majority had given up on...or simply didn't care... I also find in "interesting" that a good deal of the "negativity" surrounding this car, on camaro5, seems to be coming from ZL1-centered folks...
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That much of the negativity about the Z/28 is coming from ZL1 centered folks should not be surprising. Remember all the negativity from the SS centered folks when the ZL1 was announced?
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Hmmm....I seem to perceive most of the negativity from the SS guys since a lot of them wanted to see the LS7 as an engine option only.

On another note, has anyone else noticed the bumpout for the CHMSL on the trunk(for MY '14) looks similar to the one on the C7?
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:08 PM   #12342
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Sooooooooooooooooo if you put the Z/28 brakes on a ZL1........................what happens then?
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:13 PM   #12343
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Sooooooooooooooooo if you put the Z/28 brakes on a ZL1........................what happens then?
You have a really expensive car....




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Old 03-31-2013, 08:18 PM   #12344
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Agreed. But if you can get those brakes for 5k do you gain back all of the 3 seconds? or just a portion? And more importantly is it more than a Z/28?
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Just saw a commercial from one of my "most hated" companies, Walmart.

Offering a job to any and all honorably discharged veterans. Now I don't know if that means a good full time job with benefits or the typical Walmart part time job. Don't know what or if any * are involved.

Now I've not liked Walmart since watching them destroy small communities and farming towns in the 80s. But if this is an offer for a real, no BS full time job with benefits, then I at least have tip my hat to them.

Thoughts?
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:46 PM   #12346
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The house is value added to my camaro ownership... you guys have WAY more experience in the camaro/car world than I. So I lurked for several weeks... saw how y'all tolerated Pete and figured I wouldn't make things any worse and took the plunge.

Yall are my type of people... No way any car would be cooler than y'all. Don't tell but I have tried to bring some of this "Z" attitude to the 1LE side.... another great group of guys.
Not many complainers there!! Maybe it is all the A6 guys causin problems. :O

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Old 03-31-2013, 09:07 PM   #12347
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That was my first thought as well.

I think the Z/28 is still faster. And the more laps the better it'd get in favor of the Z/28.
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The house is value added to my camaro ownership... you guys have WAY more experience in the camaro/car world than I. So I lurked for several weeks... saw how y'all tolerated Pete and figured I wouldn't make things any worse and took the plunge.

Yall are my type of people... No way any car would be cooler than y'all. Don't tell but I have tried to bring some of this "Z" attitude to the 1LE side.... another great group of guys.
Not many complainers there!! Maybe it is all the A6 guys cousin problems. :O
Fast cars, good friends and great conversation...not much else needed. Ok maybe a good beer or two.
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