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Dewey · 08-03-2009, 10:28 AM

I was hesitant to try my launch control. I should have went with my gut and not even attempted it. The manager in charge of service was in direct contact with a GM tech. and was curious where my RPMs were holding at during launch control. The manager asked me to take it out and see what the result was. I knew he didn't know about the possibility of there being a problem with the drive shaft. I had called them because I was having difficulty activating the launch control and when I was told how to properly do so, it raised a few concerns. Launch control is activated when the gas pedal is compressed 95% of the way within 700 milliseconds. I expressed my concerns, fearing more for the engine than the transmission. After neglecting to answer my question twice if in the event my engine blew would it be covered by the warranty; the manager then asked me to get back to him within a couple days so he had the results for his records.

After the phone call I really didn't want to try it at all. After much discussions with a friend we came to the conclusion that it should be tested because we figured its a feature that is supposed to work, if it doesn't then I need to be compensated. I have only had the car for about 5 weeks.

The last six digits of my VIN #117911

Hollywod · 08-03-2009, 10:31 AM

Well good luck to you. I am sure they will take care of you. Sorry it had to happen.

MJ · 08-03-2009, 02:24 PM

It's not quite 2 weeks yet, but has anyone received phone notification from GM regarding their tranny?

(I'm 60 numbers away from Dewey's vin... Yikes!)

Dewey · 08-03-2009, 02:44 PM

I didn't get a call but it will be funny if I do.
That will be an interesting conversation.

Dewey · 08-03-2009, 04:53 PM

I will be polite, I just think the conversation might be funny.

GM: "Sir, we are calling because we believe there could potentially be a problem with your transmission.

Dewey: "You're too late."

GM "Excuse me sir?"

Dewey "I already broke it."

UCF w00t · 11-05-2009, 08:44 PM

I want to bring this subject back to life as I think GM has really let us down here.

I'm beginning to believe that this problem really is a problem on most if not all of the cars built in that range. Due to the fact that it's metal hardening issue, one may be better off than the other but they probably all have it to some degree. I don't know much about the internals of the transmission but even if they knew one was bad but hasn't broken, they may have to swap the whole transmission anyways; it would undoubtedly be a costly repair even if they don't have to swap in a whole new unit. So in GM's eyes, it's probably much easier/cheaper to replace the ones that push their cars and have them break than it would be to bring all of the affected cars in and fix them before they've got snap, crackle, pop. There's probably a lot of people with SS's out there that could have incredibly weak output shafts but will never find out because they don't drive their car like it was meant to be driven. Even still, some have broken under "normal" driving conditions.

GM promised that they would notify customers who could potentially be affected. My car was delivered in early July with a VIN just shy of 19000 and now has ~4300 miles on it. Last night, the transmission went bust. The dealership confirmed today that the output shaft snapped and new transmission is now on order. Being that I never got a call or letter from GM notifying me of any potential issue as promised and it has been driven hard in the past, I figured it was fine. So imagine my surprise when the car made a pop noise and refused to budge.

Although I am glad that GM is fulfilling the obligation to repair the car and is providing me with a rental so I'm not stranded at home for the next several days, I am extremely disappointed that the promise made in this thread has not been lived up to. It's not too late, there's plenty of others out there driving proverbial time bombs. And I hate to get people worried for no reason but if you have a manual SS built in the 12000-26000 range (I think that's the numbers, someone correct me if I'm wrong) don't think you're safe just because you've driven it hard and it hasn't happened yet. That next launch could be your last (with your current transmission).

SleepWarz · 11-05-2009, 08:50 PM

Having recieved my camaro with 96km on it from QC I believe that the problem that may or may not have existed with my camaro was resolved.

20270. Driven hard.

UCF w00t · 11-05-2009, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepWarz

Having recieved my camaro with 96km on it from QC I believe that the problem that may or may not have existed with my camaro was resolved.

20270. Driven hard.

The question is, did they do anything to those cars held in QC? Did they determine that none of them had a problem? They never released this sort of information, serial numbers affected, nor contact those affected. At this point, we have no earthly idea where the problem starts or stops and no idea if it's all of them or just a few bad apples. I thought I was safe as well.......... Some built earlier than mine were held in QC while mine was delivered.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 11-05-2009, 08:57 PM

So Vin's in the teens are the one's breaking?

UCF w00t · 11-05-2009, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

So Vin's in the teens are the one's breaking?

From what I recall and the recent ones that I've seen posted, yes. It might go into the 20s as well.

PAUL SS · 11-05-2009, 09:06 PM

So if you break your output shaft and they replace your transmission,what are the implications as far as a numbers matching car/drivetrain?

Treadstone · 11-05-2009, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul SS

So if you break your output shaft and they replace your transmission,what are the implications as far as a numbers matching car/drivetrain?

Do people still care about "matching numbers" in modern cars?

POWERFREAK · 11-05-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul SS

So if you break your output shaft and they replace your transmission,what are the implications as far as a numbers matching car/drivetrain?

I wouldn't worry about it...I don't even know if the trans has #'s. If you're going for the 100% original thing, the important part is the original motor. AND...I'm not even sure if the swap the entire transmission, but probably just the tail-shaft.

POWERFREAK · 11-05-2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

From what I recall and the recent ones that I've seen posted, yes. It might go into the 20s as well.

Mine was built late in the week that they had the M6 Constraint...vin #26,xxx....didn't get caught in any kind of extended QC...so theoretically, there shouldn't be any higher vins with the problem if in fact they properly fixed the issue.

08-03-2009, 10:31 AM	#72
Hollywod Hollywood Drives: 2010 Black Camaro 2SS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 123 View My Garage	Well good luck to you. I am sure they will take care of you. Sorry it had to happen. __________________ Black 2010 2SS Ordered 5/16/09 1100-Preliminary order accepted 5/18/09 3000-Order Accepted by Production Control 05/27/09 3300-Order scheduled for production 06/16/09 - TPW 06/29/09 3400-Order broadcast 6/20/09 3800-Order Produced 6/30/09 - VIN # 123221 4200-Shipped 7/2/09 5000-Delivered to the dealer 7/6/09

08-03-2009, 04:53 PM	#75
Dewey Drives: 2010 1SS/RS Yellow w/stripes Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Paul Posts: 28	I will be polite, I just think the conversation might be funny. GM: "Sir, we are calling because we believe there could potentially be a problem with your transmission. Dewey: "You're too late." GM "Excuse me sir?" Dewey "I already broke it." Last edited by Dewey; 10-14-2009 at 06:36 AM.

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08-03-2009, 10:28 AM	#71
Dewey Drives: 2010 1SS/RS Yellow w/stripes Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Paul Posts: 28	I was hesitant to try my launch control. I should have went with my gut and not even attempted it. The manager in charge of service was in direct contact with a GM tech. and was curious where my RPMs were holding at during launch control. The manager asked me to take it out and see what the result was. I knew he didn't know about the possibility of there being a problem with the drive shaft. I had called them because I was having difficulty activating the launch control and when I was told how to properly do so, it raised a few concerns. Launch control is activated when the gas pedal is compressed 95% of the way within 700 milliseconds. I expressed my concerns, fearing more for the engine than the transmission. After neglecting to answer my question twice if in the event my engine blew would it be covered by the warranty; the manager then asked me to get back to him within a couple days so he had the results for his records. After the phone call I really didn't want to try it at all. After much discussions with a friend we came to the conclusion that it should be tested because we figured its a feature that is supposed to work, if it doesn't then I need to be compensated. I have only had the car for about 5 weeks. The last six digits of my VIN #117911

08-03-2009, 02:24 PM	#73
MJ Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NY Posts: 403	It's not quite 2 weeks yet, but has anyone received phone notification from GM regarding their tranny? (I'm 60 numbers away from Dewey's vin... Yikes!)

08-03-2009, 02:44 PM	#74
Dewey Drives: 2010 1SS/RS Yellow w/stripes Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Paul Posts: 28	I didn't get a call but it will be funny if I do. That will be an interesting conversation.

11-05-2009, 08:44 PM	#76
UCF w00t Geek Drives: IOM 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orlando Posts: 4,452	I want to bring this subject back to life as I think GM has really let us down here. I'm beginning to believe that this problem really is a problem on most if not all of the cars built in that range. Due to the fact that it's metal hardening issue, one may be better off than the other but they probably all have it to some degree. I don't know much about the internals of the transmission but even if they knew one was bad but hasn't broken, they may have to swap the whole transmission anyways; it would undoubtedly be a costly repair even if they don't have to swap in a whole new unit. So in GM's eyes, it's probably much easier/cheaper to replace the ones that push their cars and have them break than it would be to bring all of the affected cars in and fix them before they've got snap, crackle, pop. There's probably a lot of people with SS's out there that could have incredibly weak output shafts but will never find out because they don't drive their car like it was meant to be driven. Even still, some have broken under "normal" driving conditions. GM promised that they would notify customers who could potentially be affected. My car was delivered in early July with a VIN just shy of 19000 and now has ~4300 miles on it. Last night, the transmission went bust. The dealership confirmed today that the output shaft snapped and new transmission is now on order. Being that I never got a call or letter from GM notifying me of any potential issue as promised and it has been driven hard in the past, I figured it was fine. So imagine my surprise when the car made a pop noise and refused to budge. Although I am glad that GM is fulfilling the obligation to repair the car and is providing me with a rental so I'm not stranded at home for the next several days, I am extremely disappointed that the promise made in this thread has not been lived up to. It's not too late, there's plenty of others out there driving proverbial time bombs. And I hate to get people worried for no reason but if you have a manual SS built in the 12000-26000 range (I think that's the numbers, someone correct me if I'm wrong) don't think you're safe just because you've driven it hard and it hasn't happened yet. That next launch could be your last (with your current transmission).

11-05-2009, 08:50 PM	#77
SleepWarz Banned Drives: 1991 New Yorker, 69 Tbird, ABM2SSRS Join Date: May 2009 Location: BC Canada Posts: 2,248 View My Garage	Having recieved my camaro with 96km on it from QC I believe that the problem that may or may not have existed with my camaro was resolved. 20270. Driven hard.

11-05-2009, 08:57 PM	#79
BackinBlackSS/RS Go Blue!!!!! Drives: 2012 Cruze LT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 23,290	So Vin's in the teens are the one's breaking?