V6 BEATS CAMMED V8 in 1/4

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by Rhino79

It takes internal mods to break 300 hp with a carbed v8, where your engine came with more than that stock. No junk grabbing here, maybe if your so sensative you should have gotten a v8.

Lol....I have a 700hp Whipple Charged V8......so the only sensitivity would be the rash I would lay across your ass from the spanking my car would give you.

I always have hated mustangs, so you are partially correct...lmao. I never had a caprice though. I have built several sbc engines in the past though, and as mentioned above, it takes internal mods on a carbed v8 to get to the power level of you stock. For christ sake, 8.5 or 9.0 compression, 23 degree iron heads, flat tappet cam....that screams performance right?

Once again, Im not thumping my chest, I even said those were good times for the v6. I just think when you post a thread title like this one, you should know more about what your bragging about. If you would have lost to the ghetto wagon whould it still have been posted?

Any mildly built carbureted V8 would exceed 300hp.....no they didn't come that way stock but who cares.....nobody is stock in this thread. You are making a lot of assumptions about that Caprice....I hardly doubt it was the factory engine if he was running slicks.

[formare]

I see it as good humored banter... Your comments are most welcome, as I did post this to gather comments and to provide discussion. I don't see you as being insulting. You are simply expressing your opinion and possibly assuming a bit about me and quite a bit about the v8 car in the video. Do I know "old school" v8s:

30 years ago - 383 made from a 69 - 4 bolt main. 268 comp cam, Muncie rock crusher with high pressure plate. My left leg is still larger than my right. My first and only true love...



25 years ago - 455, 272 comp cam, converted from 8:1 to 11:1. One of the few 4 speeds to be found. 411 (bad idea however, zero traction).


I lived in the v8s your talking about, up to my elbows in timing curves and carbs; back in the day when a timing curve meant cutting a piece of metal not changing programming.

Originally Posted by Rhino79

I've read the thread about 20 times over and laugh more each time someone with a v6 gets offended. Anyone that has raced prior to the 2000's and built and worked on sbc's knows the deal. Have you ever been around a sbc? Built one, have any clue on what parts it takes to get one into the 300 + hp range? Thats whats funny to me, you guys act like it's a castrol funny car over there.

If he didn't want comments, he shouldn't have posted up..lol.
Once again good times for a 6 in a heavy car.

Originally Posted by Rhino79

ittakes internal mods to break 300 hp with a carbed v8, where your engine came with more than that stock. No junk grabbing here, maybe if your so sensative you should have gotten a v8

Who is to say this car didn't have fuel injection and full port and polish, maybe bored and stroked. My point here - no one knows what he had short of what is apparent - a v8 with a cam, could be more, maybe not.. We don't know.

[Matster]

Very respectable time slip....done the Camaro family proud...well done!

I find all this hp talk quit amusing especially from the younger generation. It seems to me they just don't appreciate the fact they are getting a fully warranted factory built car with 300+hp or 400+hp. To put it into perspective, I bought a brand new Z28 first year of the Gen3's. Never touched it or put any mods on it, 128hp or 138hp from the factory can't remember. Had a 305 4 barrel Quadra Hog and a 3 speed automatic Chevette transmission. It looked fast and was fun to drive but that was about it.

[formare]

Thank you it was indeed a good day for the camaro brand.

That 455 mentioned above - had 185 horses from Detroit. Carb, intake manifold, headers, cam and timing.... Presto chango 360hp easy, likely well above 420hp all on 87 pump gas as the compression would be below 8.7:1

For the young ones that think this is just not possible (surprisingly easy to find in google):
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...s/viewall.html

Originally Posted by Matster

Very respectable time slip....done the Camaro family proud...well done!

I find all this hp talk quit amusing especially from the younger generation. It seems to me they just don't appreciate the fact they are getting a fully warranted factory built car with 300+hp or 400+hp. To put it into perspective, I bought a brand new Z28 first year of the Gen3's. Never touched it or put any mods on it, 128hp or 138hp from the factory can't remember. Had a 305 4 barrel Quadra Hog and a 3 speed automatic Chevette transmission. It looked fast and was fun to drive but that was about it.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by Matster

Very respectable time slip....done the Camaro family proud...well done!

I find all this hp talk quit amusing especially from the younger generation. It seems to me they just don't appreciate the fact they are getting a fully warranted factory built car with 300+hp or 400+hp. To put it into perspective, I bought a brand new Z28 first year of the Gen3's. Never touched it or put any mods on it, 128hp or 138hp from the factory can't remember. Had a 305 4 barrel Quadra Hog and a 3 speed automatic Chevette transmission. It looked fast and was fun to drive but that was about it.

Would have been 1982... from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrol..._generation%29

The Z28 came standard with the 5.0 L LG4 4bbl V8 or the optional LU5 twin TBI 'Cross Fire Injection' 5.0 L. The carbureted engine was available with either a four-speed manual or three-speed automatic transmission and put out a 145 hp (108 kW), while the optional Cross Fire Injection 305 was rated at 165 hp (123 kW). Performance enthusiasts of the day gave the new Camaro positive reviews for its styling and handling, but also made critical remarks about the relatively low power ratings for both the Camaro Z28 and Ford's Mustang GT, with the 302 cu in (4.9 L) V8 producing 157 hp (117 kW) SROD four-speed manual transmission.

and found this for 0-60 MPH and 1/4:

1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.8

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by scrming

LOL!

I'm actually running the video camera and my friend Jim is driving my car, running against our friend in the Mustang! My car was 4 days old and I let Jim make a pass in the car... And yes, we teased our friend mercilessly about losing to a V6 Camaro! The Shelby forum guys threatened to take away his Man Card! LOL!

How did she get a man card?

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by formare

I lived in the v8s your talking about, up to my elbows in timing curves and carbs; back in the day when a timing curve meant cutting a piece of metal not changing programming.

You mean you used to have to go to the tool-box to check the tune? I thought I was the only one. Wow.

Remember cruising in a 396 Chevelle years ago(decades) and my buddy would pull over and wait for the guy in the roadrunner to start blowing a hint of blue smoke out the pipes before we'd go hunt him down(he'd rev every time he'd come by). That little blue-ish smoke was saying he was fouling plugs and our little 396 was a good match for that heavy mopar running that hemi with the fouled plugs.

And it's not that hard to get an old school v8 to 300hp. Vortech heads with a spring upgrade, cam, and intake/carb?

Did Chevy put out a 375hp 327 in the 60's? Lot of compression, solid cam, "old school" heads? From the factory? Yes it would be less with the accessories, but it'd still be around 300hp, so don't knock old-school, some of us cut our teeth there and still would rather play there.

[formare]

I am somewhat of an idiot savant at reading plugs .. Ok, maybe just an idiot. But in Appalachia, no one had a dyno so reading plugs was the best way to get the tune loged. Ah, the memories come flooding back.

I once used graphite to lube the timing weights... Who knew graphite was conductive I got a million stories like that.

Originally Posted by usa1camaro1969

You mean you used to have to go to the tool-box to check the tune? I thought I was the only one. Wow.

Remember cruising in a 396 Chevelle years ago(decades) and my buddy would pull over and wait for the guy in the roadrunner to start blowing a hint of blue smoke out the pipes before we'd go hunt him down(he'd rev every time he'd come by). That little blue-ish smoke was saying he was fouling plugs and our little 396 was a good match for that heavy mopar running that hemi with the fouled plugs.

And it's not that hard to get an old school v8 to 300hp. Vortech heads with a spring upgrade, cam, and intake/carb?

Did Chevy put out a 375hp 327 in the 60's? Lot of compression, solid cam, "old school" heads? From the factory? Yes it would be less with the accessories, but it'd still be around 300hp, so don't knock old-school, some of us cut our teeth there and still would rather play there.

[Rhino79]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Lol....I have a 700hp Whipple Charged V8......so the only sensitivity would be the rash I would lay across your ass from the spanking my car would give you.

Any mildly built carbureted V8 would exceed 300hp.....no they didn't come that way stock but who cares.....nobody is stock in this thread. You are making a lot of assumptions about that Caprice....I hardly doubt it was the factory engine if he was running slicks.

Good for you, cause it sounded like u were coming to the v6 rescue when I never once dogged his car. I was dogging the ghetto wagon that wouldn't get out of its own way. It clearly wasn't a stock sb, otherwise he wouldn't have touched 14's. Love the "chest thumping" BTW...Lmao. this thread is hilarious.
Good running v6 tho. U said all I was saying though, it would take a mildly built v8 from that era to make equal power to the new v6. Compare apples to apples!

[Matster]

Originally Posted by scrming

Would have been 1982... from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrol..._generation%29

The Z28 came standard with the 5.0 L LG4 4bbl V8 or the optional LU5 twin TBI 'Cross Fire Injection' 5.0 L. The carbureted engine was available with either a four-speed manual or three-speed automatic transmission and put out a 145 hp (108 kW), while the optional Cross Fire Injection 305 was rated at 165 hp (123 kW). Performance enthusiasts of the day gave the new Camaro positive reviews for its styling and handling, but also made critical remarks about the relatively low power ratings for both the Camaro Z28 and Ford's Mustang GT, with the 302 cu in (4.9 L) V8 producing 157 hp (117 kW) SROD four-speed manual transmission.




and found this for 0-60 MPH and 1/4:

1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.8

Thanks scrming the first one was mine, 145hp But they were right about the handling.

You'll note that there is no mullet, but check out the wife beater, woooh that wasn't yesterday.

[BowtieBelle]

I beat a '97 Z28 in my V6 at the drag strip and posted the video to prove it. It can be done.

[Rhino79]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

I beat a '97 Z28 in my V6 at the drag strip and posted the video to prove it. It can be done.

To take down an lt1 is actually impressive to me for the heavier 5th gen v6!

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by formare

I once used graphite to lube the timing weights... Who knew graphite was conductive I got a million stories like that.

Lol, too funny, as I did exactly the same thing one time.... Had he'll trying to figure that one out...my dad came to the rescue.... We had the pull and completely dismantle the distributor and clean everything... He had that look on his face that you've probably seen as well....he did appreciate my enthusiasm though... And after my next older brother, I think my mechanical skills were a welcome blessing....I also about the same time used powered graphite on the spark plug boots of a jeep... Thought it would help water proof them... I should have used silicone.... That jeep ran like crap until we cleaned all the boots.... It was arcing like crazy.......live and learn.

[formare]

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