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Old 01-22-2015, 07:48 PM   #1
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How to beat 1-4 skip shift in the M6 LS3

I know there are folks out there that do not like the ole skip shift 1-4 thing...also called CAGS. The impression I've gotten is that many think it is unavoidable. Well, the actual function is persistent but there are four ways around it:

1. The easiest, start in second gear. I don't do this one unless conditions are slick...but if you do start in second, 1-4 skip isn't an option for the ECM.

2. When the 1-4 pops up, simply direct shift from first to third. You can do that. Only second gear is blocked and the shift to third is smoother in my opinion.

3. Or, if that isn't working for you, extend your RPMs. Typically I will just keep going until the RPMs pass about 2500 or so and the 1-4 shift turns off. Then shift to second

4. Do the opposite...slow down and as the RPMs drop below like 2000 or so, the 1-4 shuts off and you shift to second. This one is handy if you don't have room due to traffic to extend your RPMs as suggested in #3 above.

So, if you really dislike the skip shift 1-4 thing...there are ways around it. It is not as mandatory as you might think. Hope this helps.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:01 PM   #2
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I know there are folks out there that do not like the ole skip shift 1-4 thing...also called CAGS. The impression I've gotten is that many think it is unavoidable. Well, the actual function is persistent but there are four ways around it:

1. The easiest, start in second gear. I don't do this one unless conditions are slick...but if you do start in second, 1-4 skip isn't an option for the ECM.

2. When the 1-4 pops up, simply direct shift from first to third. You can do that. Only second gear is blocked and the shift to third is smoother in my opinion.

3. Or, if that isn't working for you, extend your RPMs. Typically I will just keep going until the RPMs pass about 2500 or so and the 1-4 shift turns off. Then shift to second

4. Do the opposite...slow down and as the RPMs drop below like 2000 or so, the 1-4 shuts off and you shift to second. This one is handy if you don't have room due to traffic to extend your RPMs as suggested in #3 above.

So, if you really dislike the skip shift 1-4 thing...there are ways around it. It is not as mandatory as you might think. Hope this helps.
Sorry man but #2 on you list isn't true at all. Skip Shift 1-4 blocks 2nd and 3rd and only allows you to go into 4th. As long as that "1-4" message is on your DIC, 2nd and 3rd are blocked. The skip shift feature only lasts about 2 seconds and then times out/expires and the gears re-open. You probably shift slowly into 3rd causing the 1-4 to time out. Same with number 4 on your list, skip shift more than likely times out causing you to seem like what you did was a solution.

Also one thing I have noticed with skip shift, since it being season in FL, if you try to jump to 2nd, like you beat skip shift to the punch and shift into 2nd and then it turns on, it still locks out 3rd.


Here is when skip shift kicks on
● you are in 1st gear
● you are using 35% throttle or less
● you are traveling between 15 and 21 mph
● and your engine coolant temperature is greater than 171 F (77 C)
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:04 PM   #3
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I will have to try a quick first to third when skip is on and see if it blocks....I've never had it block to third but maybe it is just timing out...
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:06 PM   #4
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Why not just buy an eliminator?
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:10 PM   #5
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I will have to try a quick first to third when skip is on and see if it blocks....I've never had it block to third but maybe it is just timing out...
I jump my gears 90% of the time I drive my car and it happens often to me. That's the only reason I know.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:11 PM   #6
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I will eventually...Just thought some on the forum would find the info useful
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:11 PM   #7
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1st to 3rd is no problem... Normally I bring the revs up a few rpm's. and go to 2nd .. If the ship shift pops up I just go to 3rd.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:12 PM   #8
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Why not just buy an eliminator?
Some people, like me don't care enough about it to buy one




Here it is from APEX:
CAGS, or Computer-Aided Gear Selection, is a feature on 1994 and newer domestic performance vehicles equipped with a six speed manual transmission. The stated purpose of CAGS is to improve fuel economy under “normal” driving conditions and is activated when:
● you are in 1st gear
● you are using 35% throttle or less
● you are traveling between 15 and 21 mph
● and your engine coolant temperature is greater than 171 F (77 C)
When these parameters are met, CAGS overrides the driver and locks out 2nd and 3rd gear, forcing the driver to shift directly from 1st to 4th gear. Most serious drivers are unwilling to accept this factory installed nuisance and eliminating it is priority number one. While some offer a crude do-it-yourself fix, the safest and most reliable way to eliminate CAGS is by installing a high quality Skip Shift Eliminator.
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Old 01-23-2015, 07:22 PM   #9
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Get a tune and be done with it.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:47 PM   #10
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There was a thread on here a while ago in regards to avoiding the skip shift and I've used it ever since. When the skip shift alert shows, just hit the "clear" button the on the left and majority of the time for me it has worked perfectly. I just use my finger to hit the button while keeping my hands on the wheel. Some people didn't like having to look for the alert, and multi-tasking but it's pretty simple by just using your peripheral vision.
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:40 PM   #11
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Pretty sure that trick only gets rid of the message. Probably more of the case as above where, by the time you clear the message, the cags has timed out, allowing you to shift normally. I've hit the button and was still locked out of 2nd.
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Old 01-25-2015, 04:56 PM   #12
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Sorry man but #2 on you list isn't true at all. Skip Shift 1-4 blocks 2nd and 3rd and only allows you to go into 4th
Mine goes into 3rd like butter every time I get the 1-4 message.

Also, it takes a split second more, but if you "fake" like you're going to 4th--move the shifter over to the right--you can move it back right into 2nd.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:49 AM   #13
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Hi guyz
I have camaro zl1 2013 auto transmission
When I use the Manuel (M) and change from 1 to 2 sometimes it
Jumps to 3 after being in 2 for sec same can happen when changing from 3 to 4 it jumps to 5 and so on
Now is this normal I was told no
So my question is does the skip eliminator help solve the problem?
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:24 AM   #14
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Skip shift is only for manuals
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