Z28 TESTING vs. BOSS 302

[syr74]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

and then the convertible comes out. . .boost sales for a while. . .then another special version comes out. . .etc etc etc.

but 304 units more then the camaro is nothing too special. yea it out sold the camaro. but that's neck and neck rang. there are still more sold camaros this year then mustangs. nov dec will show the same. even if the mutang out sales it the next 2 months.

That's neck and neck range, but that also tells you Camaro's edge due to being the 'new thing' is wearing off. (again, it happens to them all, it was only a matter of time) I don't think Mustang has a chance of regaining the overall sales lead for the year either. But then, I don't see anything that leads me to believe Camaro is going to get a huge sales boost either and if sales drop at all beyond what they have Camaro goes to a solid second place for the forseeable future. The convertible and Z28 models will help, but GM is simply doing the same thing everybody else is....Ford has the Boss 302 for example, while Chrysler has a newly much more interesting SRT8.

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by syr74

I think October sales show that the pedal has potentially fallen off of that rose. Every popular new car has it's fifteen minutes (05 Mustang, Chrysler 300, MINI) but it does end. Camaro sale fell enough to place that car slightly behind total Mustang sales in October.

Is that a fluke? Maybe, but the Camaro has been out over a year now and this is about when I would expect reality to start kicking in given the trend with other niche-esque cars and the current state of the economy.

or perhaps people are holding off on buying a new Camaro because they know the convertible version is coming in February

not saying you are incorrect, but I am saying that the 5.0 is still new and selling briskly and there are very few people that will actually buy the Boss 302 model

I think once the Camaro has all three models in place, it will hold a slight sales advantage.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by alrox

The Camaro is a midlevel performer for its price. I would wager that the majority of people that bought a new Camaro bought it because it's the car from Transformers, not its performance.

The Mustang looks basically the same since 2005, not 2003. If GM releases a Boss 302 competitor, the Boss 302 run will be over by then and Ford will have moved on to a new speciality car in a slightly different segment.

and most buyers don't buy off of performance. not everyone cares about it like fanatics due. and mid-level also discribes the mustang. so your point? these are mid-level sports cars. both cars perform amazing for their price points. compared to previous years these cars are amazing.

again just because ford leads the way into the segment doesn't mean they are the best. 4th gens stomped the mustangs butt in performance but suffered in sales. it's all in how you want to look at who's the best. sales or performance? both perform great. the mustang just a little better then the camaro in the 1320 and has out sold the mustang in year to date sales. both are great cars.

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by alrox

The Camaro convertible will sell mildly at first, then poorly. It always has. Mustang on the other hand is #1 in convertible sales for many years.

because it has always been cheaper... which might not be the case this time

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by alrox

The Camaro convertible will sell mildly at first, then poorly. It always has. Mustang on the other hand is #1 in convertible sales for many years.

lol what are you a mustang fanboy hiding behind a corvette? that is funny about the vert stang. the mustang was the number 1 selling pony car to. . .

not saying the vert camaro is for a fact going to out sell but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

or perhaps people are holding off on buying a new Camaro because they know the convertible version is coming in February

Outside of the kind of folks who visit forums like this one I don't think that phenomenon is early as common for any car as people might think.

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

not saying you are incorrect, but I am saying that the 5.0 is still new and selling briskly and there are very few people that will actually buy the Boss 302 model.

There are, but then there are very few people who buy GT500's or Z28's too. That's a lot of eggs to be placing into the convertible Camaro basket.

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

........the mustang was the number 1 selling pony car too. I'm not saying the vert camaro is for a fact going to out sell but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Keep in mind, the Camaro has done far better as a V-8 than a V-6, but convertible production in this price range has traditionally been heavily V-6 slanted.

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

I think once the Camaro has all three models in place, it will hold a slight sales advantage.

And I'm thinking the big draw for the Camaro was the SS coupe. Z28 will do fine, but then as we have already covered we are talking about very small production runs for cars like these relatively speaking. V-8 powered convertible models will do well enough compared to other V-8 verts, but I expect the leisurely pace of V-6 sales to continue including the vert.

[hairtrigger]

[QUOTE=htron50;2566108]I got the following from ford press releases and was wondering if anyone from GM or associates can tell if GM is putting as much attention on the Z28. It appears Ford is really attempting to deliver a strong street/strip machine with plenty of margin left at top end. All feedback appreciated because I am hoping GM is going to lead in this dept, not be "me too"

It shows how much attention GM is putting into the Z28 by announcing all of the track packages shortly available from GMPP to build a boss killing SSX Camaro.

Some of that technology will not be left out of the Z28

[alrox]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

lol what are you a mustang fanboy hiding behind a corvette? that is funny about the vert stang. the mustang was the number 1 selling pony car to. . .

not saying the vert camaro is for a fact going to out sell but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

The chicken hatched many years ago, with Mustang coming out on top. There are no new products from GM that will take away market share from the Mustang that they didn't have years ago with the 3rd/4th gen fbody.

[alrox]

[QUOTE=hairtrigger;2570256]

Originally Posted by htron50

I got the following from ford press releases and was wondering if anyone from GM or associates can tell if GM is putting as much attention on the Z28. It appears Ford is really attempting to deliver a strong street/strip machine with plenty of margin left at top end. All feedback appreciated because I am hoping GM is going to lead in this dept, not be "me too"

It shows how much attention GM is putting into the Z28 by announcing all of the track packages shortly available from GMPP to build a boss killing SSX Camaro.

Some of that technology will not be left out of the Z28

GM has announcednothing concerning performance oriented production cars or addons to production cars.

[hairtrigger]

Originally Posted by alrox

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GM has announcednothing concerning performance oriented production cars or addons to production cars.

You don't have much good to say about Camaro.

Try to keep up anyway. Check SEMA display.

[alrox]

[QUOTE=hairtrigger;2570399]

Originally Posted by alrox

You don't have much good to say about Camaro.

Try to keep up anyway. Check SEMA display.

I have plenty of truth to say about all cars.

Very few performance parts were on display at SEMA. It was a showcase of different body parts, wheels and fancy paint. The only 'performance' parts that anyone can install on their factory cars are a worthless shorty header for V8's and some mufflers.

What parts are you talking about?

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by alrox

The Camaro is a midlevel performer for its price. I would wager that the majority of people that bought a new Camaro bought it because it's the car from Transformers, not its performance.

The Mustang looks basically the same since 2005, not 2003. If GM releases a Boss 302 competitor, the Boss 302 run will be over by then and Ford will have moved on to a new speciality car in a slightly different segment.

You're getting a little big for your britches, buddy.
... Your post is belittling to folks you don't even know, assuming they're blindly following a movie car???

I would comment about 'short bus' but I like the kool-aid here... so... please take your negativity elsewhere.

[SilverTurtle]

I'm not going to feed the trolls in this thread anymore... I'll wait and let the sales figures speak for themselves


the Z28 engine, as well as the Z28 car, is being tested every bit as intensely as the new Boss 302 Mustang is

/thread

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

lol what are you a mustang fanboy hiding behind a corvette? that is funny about the vert stang. the mustang was the number 1 selling pony car to. . .

not saying the vert camaro is for a fact going to out sell but don't count your chickens before they hatch.

I think you nailed it.

...rustang fanboy figured he would be less conspicuous that way.

[edit] just finished reading snippets of his last 50 or so posts... you nailed it.