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Meister@Torq · 09-26-2011, 03:57 PM

We just got these back from coating in preparation for a twin turbo camaro build and we wanted to share the pictures with everyone here. We are taking the Whipple and our blower cam out of a customers vehicle because he decided after a few shorts weeks he wanted to be different and go with a twin turbo. Off with the Whipple and blower cam, putting in a custom torq turbo cam, fast intake and twin GT35R turbos. The downpipes and turbo housings are also getting coated, which should be here in a few days. We will push to have the car done for the show but not likely

Like all of the coatings, This real ceramic coatingis a performance improving coating. What makes This real ceramic coatingthe best performance exhaust coating?

1) This real ceramic coating really is ceramic so the material is a superior insulating material.

2) The coating is applied much thicker than any of the cosmetic coatings. This real ceramic coating is applied about .015” thick compared
to about .002” thick for the cosmetic coatings. Because This real ceramic coating is the best insulating material and it is applied thicker than any other
coating, This real ceramic coating offers performance improvements that
cannot be matched.

Many companies apply the shiny or colored paint based coatings and call them ceramic. Those thin shiny coatings are very different than this coating

Whereas it would be more accurate to call those thin shiny coatings good high temperature paints that may have a very small amount added to them, Swain really uses a ceramic coating that is applied molten where it bonds and cools directly on the substrate.

After heat has performed its function in the combustion chamber, it travels out the exhaust port and into the exhaust header or manifold. If the gases are allowed to cool they lose velocity and the scavenging effect is reduced. By insulating the exhaust system, gases inside are kept at the highest possible temperature resulting in greater exhaust gas velocity and higher efficiency.

This real ceramic coating insulating headers typically reduces radiant heat by about 35-55%. This reduction in radiant temperature will decrease under hood and ****pit temperatures. Lower under hood temperatures lead to lower intake temperatures. A 10°F reduction in intake air temperature provides a 1% increase in horsepower. A 30°F reduction equates to a 3% horsepower increase.

Because This real ceramic coating really is a ceramic, it is not possible to offer color choices like you can get with paint based coatings. However, the white textured finish of This real ceramic coating makes it an ideal base for good high temperature paint if you want to change the color of the coating. The high temperature paints bond well to the natural textured finish of White Lightning and the paint will not impact the effectiveness or durability of the This real ceramic coating.

How durable is the coating? It is so durable that you would need to grind it off to remove it and it would take a significant amount of time to grind the coating off in one small area. If you mar the coating with wrenches you tighten up the header to the motor or against the frame rails when you guide the motor into place you will not damage the coating. You can make that area that was marred shiny, but it will not damage the coating or degrade its insulating value.

This real ceramic coatin does not have an official “temperature rating” because temperature ratings really mean nothing when dealing with exhaust parts. The melting point of This real ceramic coating is over 3,000°F and there are applications where the coating would stay completely intact at temperatures well above temperatures that can be reached on exhaust parts. However, what can damage our coating or any coating, no matter what the “temperature rating” is would be if the base metal of there is a differential of expansion between the base metal and the coating greater than what any coating can expand. If the base metal does get hot enough to expand more than what a coating can expand, there is the possibility any coating can fracture. Whether the coating is rated for 1,300°, 1,400°, 2,000°F, or in the case of White Lightning™, about 3,000°F, it is possible that a coating will get damaged if your parts get hot enough to glow. If you ask around to those who have had coatings done with temperature ratings, it is easy to find people who will confirm that the temperature ratings really mean little in a real world environment.

On naturally aspirated motors (non-turbo), we will typically coat the inside of headers as deep as possible. However, if we think the coating will interfere with the fit of the header to the motor or the header to the mating exhaust part, we will typically mask off those surfaces. Remember our coating is about .015” thick, not a thin paint. If there is masking you want to have done, be sure to let us know by marking this right on the part with a marker so we know what you want. If you want us to coat the inside of the part, let us know so we can process the part the way you want. We do not coat the inside of mufflers, catalytic converters or expansion chambers because they are not very accessible and there is very little coating that would bond to the inside of the parts.

The most critical step in getting a coating to achieve a tenacious bond to the base metal of an exhaust part is by applying a good abrasive blast on the part at about a 90° angle to the substrate. Simply put, there are few exhaust parts that are open and accessible enough to apply this type of blast. If a good blast cannot be obtained there is no possible way a permanent bond will be achieved. This is why we take the time to mask off the interior surfaces of turbo parts. For the small amount of area that a good bond can be achieved on, it is not worth taking the risk of coating the inside where the coating could come off and damage the turbo.

It is much easier to simply coat a part all over instead of taking the time to mask a part and process it properly. We would only coat the inside of a part if it makes sense to coat it or if it has been requested by the customer. If it does not make sense to coat it or if it has not been requested by the customer, we will take the time and effort to mask the part.

When choosing which exhaust coating to have applied to your exhaust parts you should consider what you want the coating to do for you. If you want the best insulating and most durable exhaust coating available, This real ceramic coating is the only coating to consider. It simply is not possible for the .002” thick paint based coatings that many other companies offer to insulate nearly as well as the .015” thick true ceramic This real ceramic coating that we offer. However, if the look of the coating is the primary purpose for the coating, White Lightning may not be your best choice. Though This real ceramic coating is an attractive white textured coating it cannot provide you with the brilliant shine that can be achieved with the paint based coatings. If the shiny look is more important than the function of the coating, there are now many companies that offer that service.

If performance is what you are after and you consider the facts about coating materials, the effectiveness of coating the inside of parts (or lack of), and temperature ratings, it is easy to see that This real ceramic coating is the only choice.

For those only wanting a shiny look, we actually recommend that they not use our coating.

mikepage0007 · 09-26-2011, 07:53 PM

looks good, i was thinking of sending my kooks to jet hott..when i do build..what kind of price to do lt,s..pm me price if you like..thanks...

DietCoke · 09-26-2011, 09:29 PM

Looks like a swaintech coating? Nice stuff.

horsekack · 09-26-2011, 09:40 PM

I'm curious on the price to get jet hot done also if u could get me a ball park estimate.

ipimpthisc · 09-26-2011, 10:58 PM

+1 on pricing...looks like i mite do this in my future...pm please

nitto85 · 09-27-2011, 12:10 AM

I think I was quoted about $310 + shipping for a coated set of long tubes from Jethot, price probably varies depending on the coating.

Sounds like this is going to be a sick camaro.

mikepage0007 · 09-27-2011, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mst504

I think I was quoted about $310 + shipping for a coated set of long tubes from Jethot, price probably varies depending on the coating.

Sounds like this is going to be a sick camaro.

+1..i thought that was kind of high...might sell my kooks and cats and buy a set of ceramic new..

Meister@Torq · 09-27-2011, 04:35 PM

Jet Hot coating is NOT CERAMIC COATING. This is a true ceramic coating offered by Swain Tech. We are a dealer for Swain Techl. This was not designed as a sales thread but more of an educational thread for those who think that the shiny jet hot and painted stuff is truly the way to go.

This coating can be powder coated or painted for other colors, which is what we faciliate after swain tech is done. We do not offer jet hot coating unless you are buying a set of headers from us.

09-26-2011, 03:57 PM	#1
Meister@Torq Drives: 2001 Crown Vic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 974	Check out this REAL Ceramic Coating!! We just got these back from coating in preparation for a twin turbo camaro build and we wanted to share the pictures with everyone here. We are taking the Whipple and our blower cam out of a customers vehicle because he decided after a few shorts weeks he wanted to be different and go with a twin turbo. Off with the Whipple and blower cam, putting in a custom torq turbo cam, fast intake and twin GT35R turbos. The downpipes and turbo housings are also getting coated, which should be here in a few days. We will push to have the car done for the show but not likely Like all of the coatings, This real ceramic coatingis a performance improving coating. What makes This real ceramic coatingthe best performance exhaust coating? 1) This real ceramic coating really is ceramic so the material is a superior insulating material. 2) The coating is applied much thicker than any of the cosmetic coatings. This real ceramic coating is applied about .015” thick compared to about .002” thick for the cosmetic coatings. Because This real ceramic coating is the best insulating material and it is applied thicker than any other coating, This real ceramic coating offers performance improvements that cannot be matched. Many companies apply the shiny or colored paint based coatings and call them ceramic. Those thin shiny coatings are very different than this coating Whereas it would be more accurate to call those thin shiny coatings good high temperature paints that may have a very small amount added to them, Swain really uses a ceramic coating that is applied molten where it bonds and cools directly on the substrate. After heat has performed its function in the combustion chamber, it travels out the exhaust port and into the exhaust header or manifold. If the gases are allowed to cool they lose velocity and the scavenging effect is reduced. By insulating the exhaust system, gases inside are kept at the highest possible temperature resulting in greater exhaust gas velocity and higher efficiency. This real ceramic coating insulating headers typically reduces radiant heat by about 35-55%. This reduction in radiant temperature will decrease under hood and ****pit temperatures. Lower under hood temperatures lead to lower intake temperatures. A 10°F reduction in intake air temperature provides a 1% increase in horsepower. A 30°F reduction equates to a 3% horsepower increase. Because This real ceramic coating really is a ceramic, it is not possible to offer color choices like you can get with paint based coatings. However, the white textured finish of This real ceramic coating makes it an ideal base for good high temperature paint if you want to change the color of the coating. The high temperature paints bond well to the natural textured finish of White Lightning and the paint will not impact the effectiveness or durability of the This real ceramic coating. How durable is the coating? It is so durable that you would need to grind it off to remove it and it would take a significant amount of time to grind the coating off in one small area. If you mar the coating with wrenches you tighten up the header to the motor or against the frame rails when you guide the motor into place you will not damage the coating. You can make that area that was marred shiny, but it will not damage the coating or degrade its insulating value. This real ceramic coatin does not have an official “temperature rating” because temperature ratings really mean nothing when dealing with exhaust parts. The melting point of This real ceramic coating is over 3,000°F and there are applications where the coating would stay completely intact at temperatures well above temperatures that can be reached on exhaust parts. However, what can damage our coating or any coating, no matter what the “temperature rating” is would be if the base metal of there is a differential of expansion between the base metal and the coating greater than what any coating can expand. If the base metal does get hot enough to expand more than what a coating can expand, there is the possibility any coating can fracture. Whether the coating is rated for 1,300°, 1,400°, 2,000°F, or in the case of White Lightning™, about 3,000°F, it is possible that a coating will get damaged if your parts get hot enough to glow. If you ask around to those who have had coatings done with temperature ratings, it is easy to find people who will confirm that the temperature ratings really mean little in a real world environment. On naturally aspirated motors (non-turbo), we will typically coat the inside of headers as deep as possible. However, if we think the coating will interfere with the fit of the header to the motor or the header to the mating exhaust part, we will typically mask off those surfaces. Remember our coating is about .015” thick, not a thin paint. If there is masking you want to have done, be sure to let us know by marking this right on the part with a marker so we know what you want. If you want us to coat the inside of the part, let us know so we can process the part the way you want. We do not coat the inside of mufflers, catalytic converters or expansion chambers because they are not very accessible and there is very little coating that would bond to the inside of the parts. The most critical step in getting a coating to achieve a tenacious bond to the base metal of an exhaust part is by applying a good abrasive blast on the part at about a 90° angle to the substrate. Simply put, there are few exhaust parts that are open and accessible enough to apply this type of blast. If a good blast cannot be obtained there is no possible way a permanent bond will be achieved. This is why we take the time to mask off the interior surfaces of turbo parts. For the small amount of area that a good bond can be achieved on, it is not worth taking the risk of coating the inside where the coating could come off and damage the turbo. It is much easier to simply coat a part all over instead of taking the time to mask a part and process it properly. We would only coat the inside of a part if it makes sense to coat it or if it has been requested by the customer. If it does not make sense to coat it or if it has not been requested by the customer, we will take the time and effort to mask the part. When choosing which exhaust coating to have applied to your exhaust parts you should consider what you want the coating to do for you. If you want the best insulating and most durable exhaust coating available, This real ceramic coating is the only coating to consider. It simply is not possible for the .002” thick paint based coatings that many other companies offer to insulate nearly as well as the .015” thick true ceramic This real ceramic coating that we offer. However, if the look of the coating is the primary purpose for the coating, White Lightning may not be your best choice. Though This real ceramic coating is an attractive white textured coating it cannot provide you with the brilliant shine that can be achieved with the paint based coatings. If the shiny look is more important than the function of the coating, there are now many companies that offer that service. If performance is what you are after and you consider the facts about coating materials, the effectiveness of coating the inside of parts (or lack of), and temperature ratings, it is easy to see that This real ceramic coating is the only choice. For those only wanting a shiny look, we actually recommend that they not use our coating.

09-26-2011, 07:53 PM	#2
mikepage0007 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: port st lucie ,florida Posts: 4,273	looks good, i was thinking of sending my kooks to jet hott..when i do build..what kind of price to do lt,s..pm me price if you like..thanks... __________________

09-26-2011, 09:29 PM	#3
DietCoke Slow Turtle Drives: 2011 1SS Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Manhattan, KS Posts: 1,123	Looks like a swaintech coating? Nice stuff. __________________ LSXOCET - 404rwhp @ 1600 lbs curb weight... bonkers fast https://www.facebook.com/lsxocet

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09-27-2011, 04:35 PM	#8
Meister@Torq Drives: 2001 Crown Vic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 974	Jet Hot coating is NOT CERAMIC COATING. This is a true ceramic coating offered by Swain Tech. We are a dealer for Swain Techl. This was not designed as a sales thread but more of an educational thread for those who think that the shiny jet hot and painted stuff is truly the way to go. This coating can be powder coated or painted for other colors, which is what we faciliate after swain tech is done. We do not offer jet hot coating unless you are buying a set of headers from us.