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pdiddy · 10-20-2013, 10:44 AM

I have very little knowledge of fuel systems so what is the deal with return over returnless what is the stock set up compared to these aftermarket setups ?

555ctsv · 10-20-2013, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

The Squash returnless system is on the home stretch. If you can hold out and wait it'll be the best thing since sliced bread.

It'll be in my car very soon.

I will let everyone know how it is.

I haven't heard anything about these but am very interested! I imagine these will work for us cts-v guys as well?

thebeast916 · 10-20-2013, 01:32 PM

A return style fuel system returns fuel back to the tank using a return line, either new an line or using the Stock supply line as a return.

Return less is basically just like your stock setup, one line as a feed from the pumps to the regulator, to the rails, and none back to the tank.

pdiddy · 10-20-2013, 02:52 PM

I c so is there a beniit to go return style over the returnless style

bct10985 · 10-20-2013, 03:59 PM

Squash is supposed to be coming out with a returnless system. Not sure when though, it was supposed to be ready almost a year ago

blake-b · 10-20-2013, 05:43 PM

Andy at Squash told me the returnless setup is better in every way than a return style.

Uber Fueler - intelligent multi-pump PWM controller
Product Brief
FEATURES
Why returnless?
• Huge reduction in fuel temperature - your pumps live longer and you make more HP
• Costs less - one supply line to the engine, no FPR, return line
• Proven to support well over 1000 WHP
• Easier to integrate with newer vehicles as most OEMs have gone returnless
Fuel systems have finally caught up with the 21st century! No longer do you need return lines, mess with mechanical
regulators, wrangle with wires strewn about, etc. The Uber Fueler from Squash Performance integrates dual highcurrent
PWM pump drivers and microprocessor intelligence to operate one or two pumps in a returnless style fuel
system.
• Supports one or two high current pumps - 60 amps combined output
• Configuration and logging via USB port
• Programmable I/O - use for boost referenced fuel pressure, dyno testing, etc
• Intelligent pump monitoring - if a pump fails it takes action
• Futureproof with high and low-speed CANBUS
• Upgradeable firmware
• Completely sealed so it can be mounted anywhere
• It’s EASY to set up

realsquash · 10-20-2013, 05:52 PM

This is what I get for talking about something before they are on the shelf. It was supposed to be out a long time ago. All I can say now is that the pcbs are being assembled right now and theyve been stuck in limbo for longer than i expected. It is better in every way than a return style, but dont let that prevent you from buying a return setup right now

Supercharged SS · 10-20-2013, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blake-b

Andy at Squash told me the returnless setup is better in every way than a return style.

Uber Fueler - intelligent multi-pump PWM controller
Product Brief
FEATURES
Why returnless?
• Huge reduction in fuel temperature - your pumps live longer and you make more HP
• Costs less - one supply line to the engine, no FPR, return line
• Proven to support well over 1000 WHP
• Easier to integrate with newer vehicles as most OEMs have gone returnless
Fuel systems have finally caught up with the 21st century! No longer do you need return lines, mess with mechanical
regulators, wrangle with wires strewn about, etc. The Uber Fueler from Squash Performance integrates dual highcurrent
PWM pump drivers and microprocessor intelligence to operate one or two pumps in a returnless style fuel
system.
• Supports one or two high current pumps - 60 amps combined output
• Configuration and logging via USB port
• Programmable I/O - use for boost referenced fuel pressure, dyno testing, etc
• Intelligent pump monitoring - if a pump fails it takes action
• Futureproof with high and low-speed CANBUS
• Upgradeable firmware
• Completely sealed so it can be mounted anywhere
• It’s EASY to set up

Quote:

Originally Posted by realsquash

This is what I get for talking about something before they are on the shelf. It was supposed to be out a long time ago. All I can say now is that the pcbs are being assembled right now and theyve been stuck in limbo for longer than i expected. It is better in every way than a return style, but dont let that prevent you from buying a return setup right now

Haha! Good news travels fast Andy!!

You know I'm ready!

pdiddy · 10-20-2013, 09:22 PM

Another pump to throw in the mix is livernoise dual pump anyone had much experience with it

Iam Broke · 10-20-2013, 09:33 PM

I'm told it's a modified CTS-V pump, works well on my setup running E85 at ~600whp. (E85 requires ~30% more fuel) It's Plug & play.

pdiddy · 10-20-2013, 09:51 PM

So the livernoise is a good with e85 that's good to know is it just a drop in pump like the zl1 pump just the one assembly has to be replaced not the sending unit to like the lpe pump ??

Iam Broke · 10-21-2013, 04:38 AM

One unit complete with sending unit. Use with the stock fpcm.

MANNYS2SS/RS · 10-21-2013, 07:55 AM

I am also trying to decide on a fuel system, before I bump up my power. I would like to change my ZL-1 pump for a dual fuel pump system that can also handle E85 with Dave's (DSX Tuning) flex fuel sensor.

Unobtainium · 10-21-2013, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iam Broke

One unit complete with sending unit. Use with the stock fpcm.

Was just looking at that. Seems like a good option. Good price too.

10-20-2013, 10:44 AM	#15
pdiddy Drives: 2011 2SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 997	I have very little knowledge of fuel systems so what is the deal with return over returnless what is the stock set up compared to these aftermarket setups ? __________________ 2011 2SS,fti th400, ECS 1500, Flex Fuel, Boost built 376, squash fuel system

10-20-2013, 02:52 PM	#18
pdiddy Drives: 2011 2SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 997	I c so is there a beniit to go return style over the returnless style __________________ 2011 2SS,fti th400, ECS 1500, Flex Fuel, Boost built 376, squash fuel system

10-20-2013, 03:59 PM	#19
bct10985 Drives: 2010 2SS LS3, 2013 duramax Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Dover, De Posts: 1,451	Squash is supposed to be coming out with a returnless system. Not sure when though, it was supposed to be ready almost a year ago __________________ ECS Ysi-B, cam, Tsp 2" longtubes, Squash dual pumps, Id1300s, meth, 4L80e, FTI 3600, ZL1 3.73 diff, BMR suspension, 15" conversion, weld rts mt 275 et street R. 9.6@147mph

10-20-2013, 05:43 PM	#20
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	Andy at Squash told me the returnless setup is better in every way than a return style. Uber Fueler - intelligent multi-pump PWM controller Product Brief FEATURES Why returnless? • Huge reduction in fuel temperature - your pumps live longer and you make more HP • Costs less - one supply line to the engine, no FPR, return line • Proven to support well over 1000 WHP • Easier to integrate with newer vehicles as most OEMs have gone returnless Fuel systems have finally caught up with the 21st century! No longer do you need return lines, mess with mechanical regulators, wrangle with wires strewn about, etc. The Uber Fueler from Squash Performance integrates dual highcurrent PWM pump drivers and microprocessor intelligence to operate one or two pumps in a returnless style fuel system. • Supports one or two high current pumps - 60 amps combined output • Configuration and logging via USB port • Programmable I/O - use for boost referenced fuel pressure, dyno testing, etc • Intelligent pump monitoring - if a pump fails it takes action • Futureproof with high and low-speed CANBUS • Upgradeable firmware • Completely sealed so it can be mounted anywhere • It’s EASY to set up Attached Images

10-20-2013, 05:52 PM	#21
realsquash Drives: Four Door Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SE WI Posts: 189	This is what I get for talking about something before they are on the shelf. It was supposed to be out a long time ago. All I can say now is that the pcbs are being assembled right now and theyve been stuck in limbo for longer than i expected. It is better in every way than a return style, but dont let that prevent you from buying a return setup right now __________________ Squash Performance LLC 2010+ Camaro 800 LPH fuel systems

10-20-2013, 01:32 PM	#17
thebeast916 Drives: Blown G8 GT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 782	A return style fuel system returns fuel back to the tank using a return line, either new an line or using the Stock supply line as a return. Return less is basically just like your stock setup, one line as a feed from the pumps to the regulator, to the rails, and none back to the tank.

10-20-2013, 09:22 PM	#23
pdiddy Drives: 2011 2SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 997	Another pump to throw in the mix is livernoise dual pump anyone had much experience with it __________________ 2011 2SS,fti th400, ECS 1500, Flex Fuel, Boost built 376, squash fuel system

10-20-2013, 09:33 PM	#24
Iam Broke PHAT B33 Drives: 2012 TF3 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Dark of the Moon Posts: 1,460 View My Garage	I'm told it's a modified CTS-V pump, works well on my setup running E85 at ~600whp. (E85 requires ~30% more fuel) It's Plug & play. __________________ Another 1 of 371 '12 T3 LS3 M6's built.

10-20-2013, 09:51 PM	#25
pdiddy Drives: 2011 2SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 997	So the livernoise is a good with e85 that's good to know is it just a drop in pump like the zl1 pump just the one assembly has to be replaced not the sending unit to like the lpe pump ?? __________________ 2011 2SS,fti th400, ECS 1500, Flex Fuel, Boost built 376, squash fuel system

10-21-2013, 04:38 AM	#26
Iam Broke PHAT B33 Drives: 2012 TF3 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Dark of the Moon Posts: 1,460 View My Garage	One unit complete with sending unit. Use with the stock fpcm. __________________ Another 1 of 371 '12 T3 LS3 M6's built.

10-21-2013, 07:55 AM	#27
MANNYS2SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS,LS3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,237	I am also trying to decide on a fuel system, before I bump up my power. I would like to change my ZL-1 pump for a dual fuel pump system that can also handle E85 with Dave's (DSX Tuning) flex fuel sensor. __________________ LS-3, ProCharger D1SC 665. rwhp /562. rwtq @ 9.3 psi