09-21-2010, 12:45 PM | #29 | |
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If you look at the wages being paid in the newest USA based import plants you will find they are paying fast food wages to non-union auto workers. The ONLY USA based import automotive plant to make the top ten in the Harbour Report was the now defunct GM / Toyota NUMMI plant staffed by UAW workers. The sad fact is we have imported a lower standard of living and moved jobs autoworker jobs from the unions. There was no job growth with the import auto manufacturers, just relocation of automotive jobs at a lower pay rate and people getting by just enough from pay check to pay check. Then we have a slew of environmental laws that make manufacturing more expensive in the USA than most every other country in the world. Add to that labor laws and taxes that make businesses more expensive to operate in the USA than most any where else in the world and you have the conditions for even less manufacturing in the USA. Excuse me while I jack this thread to promote new tax and trade polices for the USA. As long as the government gives huge tax incentives to foreign companies moving into the USA while raising taxes on existing USA based businesses you will continue to see more jobs in manufacturing lost to foreign countries. Add to that the OPEN USA markets and compare them to foreign markets that add taxes, tariffs or onerous inspections to imports that make it next to impossible to sell our goods in foreign markets and more jobs are lost. The debate should not be focused on the quality of parts made outside the USA. The debate and criticism should be directed at the last 30 years of government policy under both Republicans and Democrats that have gutted manufacturing in the USA while opening our markets to every country for imports at the direct expense of the American working men and women. There is an election just over a month away. While it is important to focus on domestic issues in this dire economy, we should demand the debate include a complete overhaul of our tax and trade structure. Only when changes are made to these policies will you see a return of domestic manufacturing. Sorry for the rant. I'll go back on topic. Here is a link to The Book on 5th Gen Suspension. |
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09-21-2010, 07:59 PM | #30 |
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Very informative writeup!!
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09-26-2010, 10:47 PM | #31 |
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I wish gm would switch back to SLA supension... I think they could re tweak and make better than it ever was and the could streamline the process and make it work over more platforms, And the weight you could cut using tubular arms they could defiantly mass produced via the brazen method of welding i.e. drop in sold weld material throw in jig thrown and a 2000 degree flame, heat temper done....... if they don't want to use the brazen method and kill the heat treating and used robots to do it you could make them almost as quick maybe what 1 min longer via robot? than stamping?
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09-27-2010, 12:54 PM | #32 | |
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5th Gen Build Strength / Crash Test Thread Here are the pictures from that thread. The crash test videos are dramatic and I recommend you watch them. For performance all I can say is it doesn't get much better than this. |
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09-27-2010, 04:06 PM | #33 |
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Pete don't forget that the protouring cars are all driven by the car owners, engineers, and builders not top notch professional drivers. Not trying to take anything away from your car or the protouring guys. Just saying.
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09-27-2010, 04:26 PM | #34 | |
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Drivers do make a difference and that is why we posted the results of race cars and other professionally driven super cars at Gingerman in addition to the Pro Touring results. The 5th Gen suspension design can hold its own against most anything -- with a little help from Pedders. |
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10-02-2010, 02:22 AM | #35 |
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A well derserved thank you
To "frankbeans":
We are grateful for you taking the time and generosity to share this important piece of information at the forum. I do not know if anyone else said thanks already. If so, anyway, thank you again then!! The Flash
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10-02-2010, 02:39 AM | #36 | |
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A LONG IGNORED FACT
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Here you are explaining with visible proof what is obvious to any one who has driven or owned a 4th generation CAMARO/FIREBIRD: the 2010 is a structurally solid and stronger car than any of its predecessors!! Perhaps is structurally stronger than any other pony/muscle car ever made!! To achieve this a manufacturer has about two viable options, in my uneducated opinion: (1) make a heavier car using ordinary materials or (2) keep the car light and allow its price to get astronomical by employing expensive lightweight materials (titanium body/frame anyone???) and/or expensive metal processing techniques. There is a third option of making a car as ugly as sin with supporting brackets, frame connectors, and so on added left & right, but let's not go there. Yet, most people (who don't even own the car) just complain about the weight ad infinitum. Unfortunately, few people appear to have read your enlightening entry, so we will have to keep reading about the "heavy" character of our beloved car. Thank you very much anyway for some great pics!!! The Flash
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10-02-2010, 12:01 PM | #37 |
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thanks for the post. Learned a lot =D
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10-12-2010, 09:28 AM | #39 |
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You delivered a valuable piece of material!
Au contraire, JusticePete!! : Thank you for posting this valuable info!!
The Flash
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