07-05-2013, 04:08 PM | #43 | |
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And why are you posting their times over here anyway?? If I wanted to know what they run, I'd go over to their site and find out. This is a Camaro site. I don't see you posting over there about how awesome the Camaro is or the times we're running. Dude, if you're soo in love with those cars, why not just post that stuff on their site? I love Mustangs, but you don't see me over here praising them. And I don't go over to the Mustang sites praising Camaros. Nobody over here cares how awesome you think those cars are. And the few that might be fast does not mean that all of them are fast. Stock to stock, the SS will beat any of them. Equal modifications and the SS will STILL win. There is no argument. |
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I am not going to delve into all the variables at the track either(prep, driver, temp, DA, 60 foot, shift points, etc). That is not a 370z "fast list", it's the times they got... Even if its joe blow who missed 3rd gear, he can still post his time. I have already started modifying my ls1 and put on an OR/Y pipe and tune and I just bought it yesterday, stock LSx engines are generally turds... especially auto ones with GM torque management. With mods yes they are better. I expect the worst at my track in this 100 degree weather. I will be happy if I get 13.9 or better seeing all the 5th gen SS's get mid-high 13's(my friend's SRT8 charger with intake/tune did 13.5 @ 105 mph as best run of the night not long ago). Come fall I hope for low 13's, maybe 12.9. 2.73's and 10 bolt being my primary weakness. Last fall my friend did 13.2 @ 106 mph in his stock ls1 Camaro auto, so hope for 12.9 with minimal mods. Last edited by 08-G35s/6MT; 07-05-2013 at 04:40 PM. |
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And I know random youtube videos aren't good for much, but they're usually fun to watch. Here's a 370z running against some older Camaro's, a GTO, etc: STOCK WITH STREET TIRES 1) jmarcel88 -------- 09 Base ----- 7AT 12.938 @ 108.31 mph 1.972 60ft 2) b1adesofcha0s ---- 09 Tour ----- 7AT 12.986 @ 107.46 mph 1.967 60ft - Yokohama Advan S4 245/45/18 3) Speedy ----------- 09 Tour Sport 7AT 13.080 @ 105.14 mph 2.083 60ft 4) tranceformer ----- 09 Base Sport 6MT 13.127 @ 105.27 mph 1.890 60ft - oil cooler 5) NickTurnon ------- 09 Base ----- 7AT 13.292 @ 104.87 mph 2.057 60ft - 275 rear tires 6) Bored2Much ------- 10 Base ----- 7AT 13.341 @ 106.79 mph 2.124 60ft 7) One_Quick_Z ------ 09 Tour Sport 7AT 13.366 @ 103.50 mph 2.018 60ft 8) Alstann ---------- 12 Base Sport 6MT 13.546 @ 103.97 mph 2.065 60ft 9) Tigger ----------- 12 Tour ----- 7AT 13.573 @ 105.14 mph 2.183 60ft 10) 03WhiteGT ------- 11 Base ----- 6MT 13.574 @ 104.54 mph 2.119 60ft 11) theART ---------- 09 Base Sport 6MT 13.581 @ 105.07 mph 2.216 60ft - Hankook V12 285/35/19 12) 1slow370 -------- 09 Base Sport 6MT 13.628 @ 100.78 mph 2.063 60ft 13) 98intrigue ------ 10 40th ----- 6MT 13.629 @ 103.74 mph 2.130 60ft 14) agrotech -------- 12 Tour Sport 7AT 13.678 @ 102.32 mph 2.133 60ft 15) PapaJFresh------- 11 Tour Sport 7AT 13.704 @ _97.95 mph 2.065 60ft 16) ZOLE ------------ 09 Tour ----- 6MT 13.818 @ 103.59 mph 2.214 60ft 17) Chriz ----------- 10 Base Sport 7AT 13.824 @ 99.350 mph 2.159 60ft Last edited by evilstevie; 07-05-2013 at 11:31 PM. |
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My fiancee and I settled this debate last night. I've got a 370z Nismo and she has a SS 6MT. After nearly 3 years we finally went out and raced. It took so long because I wanted to get tires that were actually worth a damn. The stock tires on the 370z leave a lot to be desired. After we went to auto-x last night we then went and had a little straight line fun. We did 3 drag runs, switching cars on the third run, and one rolling run.
1st drag: I launched perfect, she didn't, by 110 there was a 1/2 a car between us 2nd drag: I launched good, she launched good, by 110 my front bumper was at her side mirror 3rd drag: We switched cars. Now mind you this was only the 2nd time for her driving my car and 1st time racing it. I got a good launch, she got a average one, by 110 the 370z bumper was at the Camaro's rear wheels. Roll race: Started at 60mph and both started in 3rd. By 130 we were next to each other with my bumper (370z) at her front wheels. Take home from what I saw. First off in the drag race the cars seem to be mostly even with neither car pulling on the other until about 80mph. At that time it seems the Camaro does start to pull. In all three races that is where the Camaro made it's biggest pull. Secondly, and most important, the cars are so close performance wise that it really comes down to the driver. On paper the edge goes to the Camaro and I'm sure a single driver driving both cars back to back will probably pull slightly better numbers with the Camaro. But on the street or at the track with two average joes behind the wheel it's going to come down to driver. No sense arguing who is faster, rather argue who is the better driver. On the rolling race the cars seemed even until about 4th gear and the Camaro started edging out. After about 115mph the Z seemed to be in it's stride and stopped the Camaro from pulling. Basically telling me that as speeds increased areo started playing a bigger factor. All that being said if we are talking about a 1LE I would whole heartily put the money on the Camaro simply because the more aggressive gearing will give it the advantage it needs to make a clear victory. |
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How the hell is an LS2 GTO going to lose to a G8 GT? It has like 40 more hp and weighs less. I doubt the tune does that much.
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The LS2 in the GTO is overrated.
At local dyno day my friend's L99 with intake and programmer did 357 whp. A stock LS2 manual did 323 whp, and another ls2 with headers/intake/tune did 366 whp. LS2's really make more around 370 at the crank stock, an auto ls2 would have dyno'd significantly lower then those 6-speeds. GTO's weigh about 3600 lbs. G8 GT's weigh around 3900 lbs.... The GTO has a 200 lb passenger(just a guess) and essentially eliminates the weight difference. From my experience close races like that are determined by whichever car has a passenger(when there's just one for the 2 cars). The LS1 is a better more reliable overall package then the ls2 when it comes to heads/cams... It's stronger and the best years for the LS1. My friend's has 460 whp and traps 119 mph and pulls cars that trap 120+ in real life, his is the ls1. |
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07-08-2013, 12:39 PM | #52 |
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Do you have a source for that? I'd like to show my friend. I have a friend with an LS1 GTO and one with an LS2. I've driven both and the LS2 definitely feels a lot faster.
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07-08-2013, 12:42 PM | #53 |
Do you even lift, bro?
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My turbo'd SS Cobalt (stock turbo) with bolt ons and a tune would CRUSH 370Z's all day long. Not even sure how this is a debate.....1LE for sure in every imagineable way.
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They even give minor bolt on 5.0's a run for their money... Don't try and make them sound slower then they are. My friend owns a 320 whp pump gas HP tuned Cobalt SS. He walks away from 400 whp 5.0's. With e85 tune I have seen them make 340-360 whp and 430-450 lb-ft. |
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LS2 is faster, but once you do a full on heads/cam car the LS1 is stronger and has just as much potential.
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Are you saying heads/cam LS1 is better than heads/cam LS2 or better than stock LS2? And I'm assuming it's stronger because it's smaller displacement sorta how the LS7 isn't very good for boost?
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