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Old 03-27-2014, 02:39 PM   #1076
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If there is a noticeable performance gain (just because it's a 4 doesn't mean it has to be strictly economy tuned) then I believe that that's the point. Torque output of an I4-T, making similar HP to a NA-V6, should have both a higher peak and a broader/flatter delivery curve.
You forget the average Joe that buys these are going to look at horsepower and fuel mileage and if they are not significantly greater than the V6 and costs more to buy the 4, guess which one they will buy?
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:58 PM   #1077
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Now you're branding YOURSELF.

But you DID say "But maybe I just wanna whine about it awhile" . If that makes you what you say you are, so be it...who am I to try and change your mind?! It doesn't seem to be meeting with much success...

? I don't know what your deal is or why this is apparently personal with you. The whining comment is out of context and was a facetious comment regarding the idea that V8's could be soon legislated out of existence completely.

My response to that idea was that it might be true (it seems the direction the green crowd is after). And that I would whine about that outcome rather than embrace crappy cars.

What is your deal Lowdown? Is it a personal affront to you if I don't like a 4cylinder Camaro?

Does it pick your pocket or break your leg if I won't buy one?

Does it harm you if I don't have complete and unwavering faith that the Camaro gods will do everything YOU say they will concerning cars and engines?

Is there room on this forum for people to disagree on what they like in a Camaro?

Note that I have not said that they WON'T make another 4 banger Camaro, I just said I don't like it, and that I fear they will reprise the Iron duke.

The arguments are the same as then.

So tell me why I can't like V6 and V8 better than 4 banger and V8?
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Old 03-27-2014, 04:45 PM   #1078
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If there is a noticeable performance gain (just because it's a 4 doesn't mean it has to be strictly economy tuned) then I believe that that's the point. Torque output of an I4-T, making similar HP to a NA-V6, should have both a higher peak and a broader/flatter delivery curve.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I for one hate NA DOHC V6s simply because of their lack of low end torque, especially in a heavy car like the Camaro. The 6th gen will be lighter, but the broad torque of a turbo four would still be better. IMO Ford has it almost right slotting the 4 banger between the 6 and the 8.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:07 PM   #1079
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? I don't know what your deal is or why this is apparently personal with you. The whining comment is out of context and was a facetious comment regarding the idea that V8's could be soon legislated out of existence completely.

My response to that idea was that it might be true (it seems the direction the green crowd is after). And that I would whine about that outcome rather than embrace crappy cars.

What is your deal Lowdown? Is it a personal affront to you if I don't like a 4cylinder Camaro?

Does it pick your pocket or break your leg if I won't buy one?

Does it harm you if I don't have complete and unwavering faith that the Camaro gods will do everything YOU say they will concerning cars and engines?

Is there room on this forum for people to disagree on what they like in a Camaro?

Note that I have not said that they WON'T make another 4 banger Camaro, I just said I don't like it, and that I fear they will reprise the Iron duke.

The arguments are the same as then.

So tell me why I can't like V6 and V8 better than 4 banger and V8?
Wah.

Someone sure likes to dish it out but can't take it.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:58 PM   #1080
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Wah.

Someone sure likes to dish it out but can't take it.
What have I dished out? That I prefer V6 and V8 to four cylinder?!

Eff you dude.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:12 PM   #1081
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What have I dished out? That I prefer V6 and V8 to four cylinder?!

Eff you dude.
So why do care so much that chevy offers another option for people who want a turbo 4 over a V6 I disliked my V6 Camaro I couldn't wait to get out of it since it was missing that down low off the line grunt which a V8 and turbo 4 have well not all but most do have the low end grunt in the lower rev range. It would be stupid for Chevy to just say to people who want a turbo 4 tough luck go by a mustang is basically what would be like if they didn't atleast entertain the idea of it.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:44 PM   #1082
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What have I dished out? That I prefer V6 and V8 to four cylinder?!

Eff you dude.
Is revychevy gonna cry?
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:18 AM   #1083
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Is revychevy gonna cry?
You are clearly 7 years old. As for the rest, you guys can buy what you want with your money, I'll buy what I want with mine.

If I don't like what's offered I won't buy it. I may not choose to buy GM if the car starts to suck.
If that's "dishing out something" so be it.

I'm about done with Camaro 5 anyway.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:52 AM   #1084
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You are clearly 7 years old. As for the rest, you guys can buy what you want with your money, I'll buy what I want with mine.

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This is what some of us have been saying. If you don't like a turbo 4 banger, don't buy it. Save up your miles on your SS if you want to keep it forever.
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:55 AM   #1085
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If you don't like a turbo 4 banger, don't buy it.
That's exactly what will happen. I wish you guys could see the forest for the trees, though, and realize where that argument ends.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:55 PM   #1086
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
This was the original post by the OP over a year ago. It was then a simple question and now a lot of you have managed to turn a simple question into personal attacks because someone disagrees with your opinion. I`ve followed this thread to see how long it would take before some of you would resort to making the question personal in either being for or against a 4 cyl Camaro. And as usual it didn`t take long. A lot of you claim to be "Car guys" but after reading some of the responses to other "Car guys" thoughts on the subject I`ve come to the conclusion that you are neither, you are.....well.....just people who either can not or will not accept another's opinion that dosen`t match your own. So sad to watch what should be an intelligent discussion turn into this!!! (A piss fight)
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Like I stated before, I would love a Oddball 4 banger pushing 320hp/300tq in a 3,300lb 6th Gen .... Options are always fun .....


Maybe folks are afraid a 4 banger will put the scare on a V-6 or a V-8 ....
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:18 PM   #1088
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because its better than a 3 cylinder? lol
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Old 03-28-2014, 08:35 PM   #1089
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because its better than a 3 cylinder? lol
Not necessarily...

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Old 03-28-2014, 08:49 PM   #1091
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What is your deal Lowdown? Is it a personal affront to you if I don't like a 4cylinder Camaro?

Note that I have not said that they WON'T make another 4 banger Camaro, I just said I don't like it, and that I fear they will reprise the Iron duke.

The arguments are the same as then.

So tell me why I can't like V6 and V8 better than 4 banger and V8?
Of course you can. It just doesn't seem sensible that you need to endlessly repeat the same litany of disdain for the 4-cylinder version for what, a dozen consecutive pages or more. There's a name for that condition...

...and BTW, the Iron Duke died about 2 decades ago, and it isn't coming back. You'll be hurt to know there are actually folks who miss that engine (in applications OTHER than Camaro!). It was an anvil of an engine, but you're safe. You can come out now...it's gone...

And NO, the arguments are very much DIFFERENT from an engineering standpoint. Power-to-Weight matters (as it always should have), and modern 4-cylinder engines deliver GREAT power, GREAT economy and GREAT performance, when engineered thoroughly into selected vehicles.

Question (that should be of REAL concern to you): What's the price differential for BMW, Mercedes and Audi, when going from a 4-cylinder version of their cars to their V8s? From their 6s to their V8s? And, finally, from their 4s to their 6s?

Smart folks, those Germans, nein? Profitable, too...
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If you Guys haven't been enthusiastic about cheerleading for hybrid/ Prius Camaro 's I don't see how this has gone on for 30 some odd pages!
From Page 34...your mention of Prius, NOT my interjection.

...and you complained THEN about 30 some odd pages...and we're now on Page 44...

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Like I stated before, I would love a Oddball 4 banger pushing 320hp/300tq in a 3,300lb 6th Gen .... Options are always fun .....


Maybe folks are afraid a 4 banger will put the scare on a V-6 or a V-8 ....

look at the Evos or SRT4s. Little 4 cylinders that laugh at 400hp when the boost is turned up

If the Gen 6 Camaro comes with a turbo 4 - it will probably come with 300hp. And if you get on it with just a turbo upgrade 500whp would be simple

And yes it will give the stock V8s a scare

I kind of like the idea of a turbo 4 in a 3300lb Camaro with a 6 speed and RWD (i came from the import world - been wanting a car like this for a while)
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Old 03-29-2014, 09:25 AM   #1094
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"The business end of it is if you want viable Camaro in the future that you can call "American Muscle" then you will have to accept the fact as GM will that CAFE will set the automotive future whether you like it or not.

As an enthusiast (and I won't challenge more than you as I don't claim to know you) I can assure you that discussion absolutely belongs in an enthusiast site. It's the future of everyone that love driving, not just muscle cars, but just driving and enjoying your car. You want to get even darker into the future imagine the Camaro that drives itself. Imagine roads you won't be able to drive on if you don't have an autonomous automobile that is wirelessly connected.

You may not want to have that conversation either but it's coming.

Please refrain from you challenges that we go to other websites. As an enthusiast since the day I turned a key, I can assure you those conversations belong here and more importantly outside of here. The government wants nothing more than to take the wheel out of your and my hands."


If you Guys haven't been enthusiastic about cheerleading for hybrid/ Prius Camaro 's I don't see how this has gone on for 30 some odd pages!

If the gubment makes rules that the Camaro has to be a four cylinder econo crap wagon (like the iron duke you keep bringing up like it's somehow helping your point). Then as I have stated previously I won't buy one. (Unless they also pass Obama car (like Obamacare except you have to buy a car).

I'm sure you guys will though, so it will work out for them.

Answer me one question though, how many of you 4 cylinder muscle enthusiast have swapped out your LS3 or LSA or LS7 for a four banger?

You could save gas you know, by taking the V8 out of your SS or ZL1 and putting in the 4 cylinder from the Chevy Spark! -- we're talking 84hp and 83fp of torque

That beast gets 38mpg! This is what you get for your money! You want 38 mpg? Swap that sucker in your SS and send me your LS3! You won't be disappointed if all you want is looks and gas mileage.
Here is the full statement I made on page 34 lowdown. You took a sentance out of context. I don't want the Camaro to be like a Prius and back then we were having a side convo about govt mandated gas milage and and how we had to accept it. This conversation has shifted several times about different things.

But you are right about repeating, so I'll leave it here-- if they make a 4 cylinder Camaro it will be great for you. I can find another manufacturer. Your opinions about the engines are valid.

My decision of what I buy is still mine to make. Enjoy your day.
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look at the Evos or SRT4s. Little 4 cylinders that laugh at 400hp when the boost is turned up

If the Gen 6 Camaro comes with a turbo 4 - it will probably come with 300hp. And if you get on it with just a turbo upgrade 500whp would be simple

And yes it will give the stock V8s a scare

I kind of like the idea of a turbo 4 in a 3300lb Camaro with a 6 speed and RWD (i came from the import world - been wanting a car like this for a while)
Were are you getting 3300 pounds? Wvery time I turn around the NG Camaro weighs less. Now it's less than the Corvette.
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I stated the 3,300lbs for the 6th Gen as just a wish .... although you look at the Cadillac website and the 2015 ATS coupe is listed as "lightest in class" for whatever that means ... I would just like to see a 6th Gen Camaro be very light on its tires ...
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I stated the 3,300lbs for the 6th Gen as just a wish .... although you look at the Cadillac website and the 2015 ATS coupe is listed as "lightest in class" for whatever that means ... I would just like to see a 6th Gen Camaro be very light on its tires ...
I hope your wish comes true. That would be pretty sweet. But that would be 100 pound reduction over the ATS. Possible but I just don't see how they get there and hold the price point.
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