09-19-2011, 03:57 PM | #113 |
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I'd love to have launch (1-2 gears) only awd on the Camaro... As long as it didn't kill the weight, which it would... Front wheel electric motors, etc.. Something... That would really cut some of our 1/4 mi times down with the added benefit of being able to turn it off and go in to RWD only mode..
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09-19-2011, 04:02 PM | #114 |
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At $90,000 the GT-R is not in the same price category as the ZL1. For $35,000 plus more, I would expect the GT-R to have better performance numbers than the ZL1.
For me the ZL1 has a better price/performance ratio.
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Our differences in opinion stem from our optics. While I disagree with you I do not claim you are wrong.
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A year after the CTS-V set the production sedan record and stunned the Euro MFGs, a Porsche Panamera did beat the CTS-V time set by John Heinricy. The Porsche was fit with an over boost option and ceramic brake option as they were IMO desperate to prove the value of the limited production Panamera. From my view, the CTS-V still holds the record for the World's Fastest Production Sedan and I also believe the current CTS-V would be significantly faster that with one John drove. Quote:
The 1965 Corvette had a Big Block option and IMO became a Muscle car during the Golden Age of Muscle Cars. We are now in the Platinum age of Muscle Cars and the Corvette is available with a 427 / LS7. Every Vette comes with a ground pounding AMERICAN V8. The Corvette is without a doubt world class in all round performance, but still a Muscle Car and I would hope proud of it. |
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09-19-2011, 05:55 PM | #117 |
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The Corvette has muscle car aspects...but its a 2 seat sports car.
When you look at all the "muscle cars" there is usually a low budget, low powered, entry version of it. Then various bolt on parts are added to increase the performance. A sports car, much like the Corvette, was designed and built to be a performer. Even the base Corvette.
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09-19-2011, 06:23 PM | #118 |
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Sports Cars?
So what is a Sports Car? |
09-19-2011, 06:28 PM | #119 |
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I think it'd really difficult to define nowadays what makes a car a "supercar"... a lot of journalists seem to slap the term on pretty much any vehicle with 500+BHP.
But really it comes down to the individual, everybody has a slightly different take on what makes a "supercar"..... lets face it they have classed some of the new ultra performance cars as "Hypercars". One publication defined the phrase supercar as "a car that is superior to all others". For me though a Supercar has to be something very special, it has to have a sense of occasion about it, it has to make me feel like a kid a Christmas every time i even think about it. The GTR (although great) is a little too pedestrian to be in that category, as are a lot of others that are called supercars by the press. That's just my opinion. |
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I sports car is generally defined as a 2 Door, 2 Seat car that is light weight, designed with great handling and performance in mind.
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09-19-2011, 07:20 PM | #121 |
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Exactly. Then I started thinking about the range of cars that have fit that category over the years. A Corvair and a Ferrari? A Vette and a Miata? Sports Car covers a LOT of very different vehicles.
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Yea, and you better set aside another $25,000 for a new transmissions for the GT-R as well. They are garbage.
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Its not even a race, especially with the ZR1. They Z06 and ZR1 are much more powerful cars with much broader powerbands, better top end, and hundreds of pounds less weight. Being that the ZL1 will weigh about the same as the GTR and have more horsepower and a better powerband, it should walk the GTR from a rolling start as well. |
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From a rolling start the ZL1 will do fine with a GTR simply based on power to weight. The AWD gives the GTR an advantage on launches from a stop and for handling. I'd like to see a dyno graph for both cars to compare the power band rather than just looking at peak numbers.
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I understand your point but Porsche sells more than 2500 Panameras a year.
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