How Many Cancelling Order if no ABL (ambient lighting) ?

[OldTimer]

You are right Dragoneye. You always look at things with such common sense. I guess I am feeling a bit spoiled with the immediate gratification of information on this forum. If we had not had this forum, however the camaro looked we would probably have thought it was the best!

I have never had this kind of enthusiasm for a car and it is the information and pictures from this forum that have generated it for me. I just want it, mine, to be perfect in every way. I want it "now" and I don't want to wait. It looks like I might have to and that is what bums me out. I will have to delay my order because without the ABL it won't feel complete, like the car I first thought it was going to be.

[UCF w00t]

Dragoneye, my thoughts exactly in a better way than I was going to write it .

There's the flip side to it being worth less... maybe people will want one of the "rare" 2SS's without the lighting?

[70 COPO]

We need to quit making excuses for past performance. The Government will expect major changes from GM in just a few months or it is off to bankrupt status. I ordered a car based upon what GM told me the car was going to be. An obvious pre launch sales acceleration tactic -that I and others here were more then happy to help with then the trickle of bad news after the orders were placed as the favored options eroded.

Now the measure of success now will be future performance and communication.

I see this site as like a version of "Camaro Beta" where ideas get floated past us to check core reaction. Sometimes they get it right in advance then the idea gets pulled back by the bean counters. How frustrating can that be for the brand team??

I am not that in love with the car to take whatever the GM decision makers decide to "give me".

That is the way of thinking at GM that needs "restructuring" the most if the company is to survive.

[bob2the2nd]

while i havent said anything i was one of those guys that would have probably waited for the ambient lighting. I think its a great feature and one of the first ways i found out about this car was through the start up video that showed it, and since then its been

then tonight i got into my first accident (im fine, fender bender, car still runs, not my fault) and the car I have absolutely has to last till the camaro comes in, if it doesnt im screwed and i have to cancel my order. at that point i realized its the car i want not the ambient lighting, and I couldnt live with myself if i ended up not getting the camaro just because I delayed my order for lighting. Well obviously my situation doenst apply to everyone today did help put things into perspective. that said this spring cant come fast enough.... looks at the count down timer. screw christmas i want my camaro.

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by Barry626

Sorry to disagree but even with the new Camaro won't make GM # one.
They never was & doubt they ever will be? Sure hope they prove me wrong?

ummmm, sorry to disappoint you, but Toyota and GM are the top 2 auto manufacturers in the WORLD... with GM reporting accurate car sales down to the hundreds and Toyota reporting their numbers down to the thousands... there was a huge drama on this forum back when Toyota was claiming they outsold GM for 2007 but then wouldn't give accurate numbers down to the hundreds... so, by default, GM is the NUMBER ONE CAR SALES entity on the planet... this may not hold true for the 2008 calendar year.




please refrain from making inaccurate statements on this forum, as some people who do not know the truth might take your misinformation and spread it like a disease across the internet... thanks in advance.

[TAG UR IT]

Wow...

a lot of points I can agree with here.

Some of those points I really didn't want to say, but felt...strongly about.

ABL needs to be there WITHOUT FAIL. This domino effect is really getting to me. One thing after another...and now the speculation that we don't get what we were told was going to be standard on the 2LT and 2SS...This is killing me....

I will not buy a $35k to $40 THOUSAND DOLLAR watered down version of a 2SS/RS only to have fully loaded version with all the "new" goodies and gadgets coming out months later. Yeah...not like I'm planning on selling it, but I like the point made about MY resale value going through the floor since no one wants the bare bones, but "fully loaded" 2SS/RS. Meh...I might be worrying about nothing. ...and I pray to God that I am.

....still working on "keeping the faith..."

[XAnimal]

Well I've been reading this thread closely, and I must admit that ABL is one of the features I was looking forward to my 2LT, I thought it really added to the coolness factor.

I won't be canceling my order if its not there though, as how I sold my car before this depolyment and the ex got the other one, so its either a watered down 2LT or diff car and I want my camaro.

However if they offer a voucher for a free install at the dealer once it comes avalible I'm all for it, or hell even I have to pay for it

I will not be adding 3rd party lighting inside to replace ABL as that will probably look very cheap and rice.

I really hope its there but if not as long as I can get it added later and compenstation somehow I'm okay.

[FirstLSK]

GM had better pull out all stops to deliver what they have publicly announced for this car (ie Ambient Lighting). If they fail to do so, the media backlash and the internet forum backlash will be very detrimental to their future. They don't need anymore negative publicity.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by FirstLSK

GM had better pull out all stops to deliver what they have publicly announced for this car (ie Ambient Lighting). If they fail to do so, the media backlash and the internet forum backlash will be very detrimental to their future. They don't need anymore negative publicity.

That's what I am thinking....and I'm sure those higher ups working on the Camaro know this...

and I bet the guys working on it are working full speed....but are probably getting the shaft by having less people on it than they want, less money to use to figure it out, etc. heck, there might even be just one lonely guy working on it...wondering why the fate of the ABL is on his shoulders alone.

GM, time to get some more guys on this one...and figure it out....

Get it done. Get it done right. No one will complain and you can say, "we told you so..." Time to say, "screw the bean counters" and JUST DO IT. You all KNOW you need to!

[StoutFiles]

However if they offer a voucher for a free install at the dealer once it comes avalible I'm all for it

GM pretty much has to do this if they want to keep a lot of their preorders, especially if the MSRP doesn't drop. I was told I'd have ABL, I'm paying for ABL, so I better be getting ABL...if not I will have my order delayed.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Wow...

a lot of points I can agree with here.

Some of those points I really didn't want to say, but felt...strongly about.

ABL needs to be there WITHOUT FAIL. This domino effect is really getting to me. One thing after another...and now the speculation that we don't get what we were told was going to be standard on the 2LT and 2SS...This is killing me....

I will not buy a $35k to $40 THOUSAND DOLLAR watered down version of a 2SS/RS only to have fully loaded version with all the "new" goodies and gadgets coming out months later. Yeah...not like I'm planning on selling it, but I like the point made about MY resale value going through the floor since no one wants the bare bones, but "fully loaded" 2SS/RS. Meh...I might be worrying about nothing. ...and I pray to God that I am.

....still working on "keeping the faith..."

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

GM pretty much has to do this if they want to keep a lot of their preorders, especially if the MSRP doesn't drop. I was told I'd have ABL, I'm paying for ABL, so I better be getting ABL...if not I will have my order delayed.

to these posts and about every other one it took like a half hour to read, LOL! It seems GM was playing with a double-edged sword with Camaro. They release information and camo' to please it's base, but then pull back so many things that they teased many people with. I can see many reasons for that kinda' thing though, money being the biggest problem. I would find it very hard to be one of the many who have already put a deposit on your order only to think you aren't going to get the car you're planning on. What's worse, you hang in there only to find out the car you want comes along in another year equipped exactly how you want.

I can't relate to those situations yet because I haven't/can't order but, like someone else already stated, at least they aren't going to send these cars out wrong. I think that's worth something. I'd rather hear we aren't ready yet than learn, after countless visits to the dealer that they can't fix it and there's nothing they can do to fix it. I can relate to the this appointment of yet another detail that has been questioned and maybe changed and not made available (see my sig' if you don't know) but I'm sure they're going to do all they can to make it right. They're getting some money and the only way they can hold their end of the bargain up is sell cars, and I think they know the market is touchy enough that one small misstep will cost a whole lot and have faith that it will be right; and that's what counts, I think. What sense is there in doing something and not doing it right? I think many people here can appreciate that when it comes down to it.

I do hope, though, that they fix it. It's one thing to hear that you're getting something, only to hear that, that, may not be the case, after you've already started paying toward it. Maybe the holidays are getting to us and the stress it just being compounded by this speculation. Nothing's been announced yet, and we're still a few months from cars arriving; we've waited this long - let's try to keep everything in perspective and keep our heads. I don't think anyone on Team Camaro wants to disappoint any enthusiast.

JMVHO

[70 COPO]

Strike #1 The short front stripe switcheroo.
Strike #2 HUD then no HUD.
Strike #3 ABL then No ABL.

I wonder what is next?

[Rodrunner]

Originally Posted by TomServo

The Cadillac CTS has it, it's going on TWO model years. Don't understand why there would be any problems. Visit a CTS forum and no one has reported ANY problems.
Me thinks this is another nasty rumor. BTW go visit the CTS web site and they have a great demo on it.

Originally Posted by RS/SSYellowJacket

I would not delay for either. My wife has the ambient style lighting in her CTS. It is cool but I wouldn't miss it.

It's not brand new technology....they'll get it fixed!!!

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Rodrunner

It's not brand new technology....they'll get it fixed!!!

If I'm not mistaken, when I was at the dealership, the older Caddy's had fiber optic lighting that was kinda' cool (for back in the day) so I just can't see that this is a problem they won't overcome. JMVHO.