2010 Production Camaro body spied on assembly line !!

[GTAHVIT]

Ooohh boy...

[jmliptak]

Been watching for a while and reading but have not posted before, thought you all might find this interesting in light of the above comments about the quality of US autos, interestingly GM and Ford are noted for their improvement and BOTH finished in front of Toyota, Volkswagen was number 1, which includes Audi:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...y-survey_N.htm


Here is the bottom line:
VW, which includes Audi, led all corporations with a total quality index score of 892 out of 1,000 possible points. General Motors (GM) finished second as a corporation at 867, followed by Ford Motor (F) and Honda (HMC), which tied for third at 862. Toyota (TM) finished fifth, at the industry average of 860.

VW, GM and Ford were the only corporations showing improvement in this year's survey.

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by Supermans

I highly doubt the quality is going to be anywhere near as good as you are imagining here. In my opinion, it will take years for GM to catch up to Nissan and Toyota for example in terms of build quality for cars in the same price range. What I mean by this is that after the Camaro is released, it will take years to see whether the build quality of the Camaro remains strong and free from issue's for the large majority of them sold. Currently reliability and American cars aren't two words that go together in the automotive world I'm sad to say considering it used to be just the opposite. I've had a Pontiac G6 that I bought brand new a few years ago and it has been by all accounts a lemon of a car going back to the dealer once every few months for major problems that you rarely see in Toyota's or Nissan's in the first few years. I do hope that the Camaro I get doesn't have as much trouble as my G6. I just can't stand the looks of the Nissan's and Toyota's which is probably the main reason I always buy either Ford or GM. At least GM is above Dodge in build quality.. Corvette's are notorious for having small problems very early on (car gets creaky after six months, tire rods going bad, tilt steering wheel clicking when turning..etc..) These are things you come to expect with GM vehicles that you don't see so early while buying Japanese cars. Perhaps it is better building techniques or better work ethics or training of employees, however the reality is already there.. I know GM is striving for excellence and to change this image that they as well as other American car companies have.. And I do hope we start seeing this change in the new Camaro..

[boxmonkeyracing]

the battle of words. . .lol. I really believe that people still believe what the media has told them over and over again. JAP cars are so much better then American cars. I can't tell you how man times I've heard so many negative comments about american cars and trucks until they get into my truck then they are surprised. lol. but believe what you want.

[Scotsman]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

the battle of words. . .lol. I really believe that people still believe what the media has told them over and over again. JAP cars are so much better then American cars. I can't tell you how man times I've heard so many negative comments about american cars and trucks until they get into my truck then they are surprised. lol. but believe what you want.

The media does not dictate the trends, consumers do. The media is just devils advocate for the U.S. auto industry. My co-worker who just bout a new CTS has shown the car to all his family and friends and let's everyone drive it, he's said he hasn't heard one negative comment made about his car yet. Rather how impressed people are that Cadillac/GM have come this far with such a credible product that they wouldn't mind having themselves. In essence owners of the latest GM products have become brand ambassadors (as for almost every other auto brand), and with the latest GM products I think most can't help but be impressed, and that is a straight up and down objective disposition.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Scotsman

The media does not dictate the trends, consumers do. The media is just devils advocate for the U.S. auto industry. My co-worker who just bout a new CTS has shown the car to all his family and friends and let's everyone drive it, he's said he hasn't heard one negative comment made about his car yet. Rather how impressed people are that Cadillac/GM have come this far with such a credible product that they wouldn't mind having themselves. In essence owners of the latest GM products have become brand ambassadors (as for almost every other auto brand), and with the latest GM products I think most can't help but be impressed, and that is a straight up and down objective disposition.

well I can't tell you how many rags (motortrend, automobile, etc) I've picked up and they talk how good a car/truck is but trash it in the finalreview. . .only because it's american. people believe what they are told. most people don't think for themselves anymore.

[Mr Twisty]

My wife had a civic, had 200,000 on the odometer when it was trashed. Not bad, but, that was after 2 expensive timing belt changes and a blown head gasket. And they still say these are wonderful cars? They didn't have to pay the bill for the head gasket!
Mom's caddy...150,000, valve covers never been off, still going strong. Bro's Chev pickup, 250,000 same. cutlass wagon popped a head gasket...but at 280,000 miles! And these are all 90's models. Ricers are brainwashed. BTW the fit-finish was about body panels, you want to talk quality, let's talk. Remember, the above cars are all family cars, not "My friends moms boyfriends Japassissi went 5 jillion miles without an oil change.

[Mr Twisty]

You know, I like you, really I do, because you say you're buying American. But...

Originally Posted by Supermans

I highly doubt the quality is going to be anywhere near as good as you are imagining here. In my opinion, it will take years for GM to catch up to Nissan and Toyota for example in terms of build quality for cars in the same price range.

It's already better.

Originally Posted by Supermans

What I mean by this is that after the Camaro is released, it will take years to see whether the build quality of the Camaro remains strong and free from issue's for the large majority of them sold.

I think this is a generalization that would apply to any new model made by any MFG. But when the folks working on the GM lines talk about how proud they are of the new cars coming out because they're seeing the quality up close, I'll rest on their comments for now.

Originally Posted by Supermans

Currently reliability and American cars aren't two words that go together in the automotive world I'm sad to say considering it used to be just the opposite.

HUH? Did you copy and paste that comment from MOTOR TREND?

Originally Posted by Supermans

I've had a Pontiac G6 that I bought brand new a few years ago and it has been by all accounts a lemon of a car going back to the dealer once every few months for major problems that you rarely see in Toyota's or Nissan's in the first few years.

Yeah, my son can tear up an anvil too, I don't know how he does it.
Give him a Toy or Nisnon, he'll tear it up.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by jmliptak

Been watching for a while and reading but have not posted before, thought you all might find this interesting in light of the above comments about the quality of US autos, interestingly GM and Ford are noted for their improvement and BOTH finished in front of Toyota, Volkswagen was number 1, which includes Audi:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...y-survey_N.htm


Here is the bottom line:
VW, which includes Audi, led all corporations with a total quality index score of 892 out of 1,000 possible points. General Motors (GM) finished second as a corporation at 867, followed by Ford Motor (F) and Honda (HMC), which tied for third at 862. Toyota (TM) finished fifth, at the industry average of 860.

VW, GM and Ford were the only corporations showing improvement in this year's survey.

jmliptak,

Great first post!

Welcome to the site.

See ya roun' the boards.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

You know, I like you, really I do, because you say you're buying American. But...

It's already better.

I think this is a generalization that would apply to any new model made by any MFG. But when the folks working on the GM lines talk about how proud they are of the new cars coming out because they're seeing the quality up close, I'll rest on their comments for now.

HUH? Did you copy and paste that comment from MOTOR TREND?

Yeah, my son can tear up an anvil too, I don't know how he does it.
Give him a Toy or Nisnon, he'll tear it up.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

My wife had a civic, had 200,000 on the odometer when it was trashed. Not bad, but, that was after 2 expensive timing belt changes and a blown head gasket. And they still say these are wonderful cars? They didn't have to pay the bill for the head gasket!
Mom's caddy...150,000, valve covers never been off, still going strong. Bro's Chev pickup, 250,000 same. cutlass wagon popped a head gasket...but at 280,000 miles! And these are all 90's models. Ricers are brainwashed. BTW the fit-finish was about body panels, you want to talk quality, let's talk. Remember, the above cars are all family cars, not "My friends moms boyfriends Japassissi went 5 jillion miles without an oil change.

My '88 S-10 Blazer has 331,000 on the 2.8 V-6 original engine 4wd, that engine has never been "opened up", no blue smoke when you start/run it, nothing other than routine maintainence, a couple of water pumps and a rebuilt TBI injector. My '94 Jimmy had 227,000 on it and was in perfect shape (original 4.3 V-6 4 wd never opened up) when some fool ran a stop sign and t-boned it, totaled it. My '95 Chevy 20 Series van is doing just fine with 137,000 or so miles on it, my '99 Blazer 4.3 4 wd with around 104,000 miles had it's first tuneup not too long ago. I have gotten excellent durability with many GM vehicles, fit and finish has been good to excellent in all of my trucks, nobody can tell me that GM does not have good build quality.
Clyde

[camaro5]

Supermans - I hope you put your flame-proof suit on

[The_Blur]

One GM employee was fired over recent assembly line photos. Article is by Leftlane.

[EllwynX]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

the battle of words. . .lol. I really believe that people still believe what the media has told them over and over again. JAP cars are so much better then American cars. I can't tell you how man times I've heard so many negative comments about american cars and trucks until they get into my truck then they are surprised. lol. but believe what you want.

Speaking with someone at work that I already knew was an American car hater actually has made it clear he won't even buy a car built in this country. Regardless of what make it is.

Yet he states how hot the new Camaro and G8 are... (Yes, I know the G8 is built in Australia. I'm not sure he knows that, and I didn't think to mention it.)