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[Norm Peterson]

All that's needed then would be for the production hardware and tuning to live up to the simulations that at least have a known target.

Ride & handling isn't something that can be explicitly computed and called done. That's why there are test drivers.


Norm

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

It's easier for them to challenge a rival in this case cause they know what the boss can do. No simulations needed.

I'll wait until the car is in production and being run before I believe what it can actually do.

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I'll wait until the car is in production and being run before I believe what it can actually do.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Gramps69Z

I'm not saying the 1LE won't out run a BOSS 302 or even the LS if the VIR time is correct, I'd just like to see it happen.

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I'm not saying the 1LE won't out run a BOSS 302 or even the LS if the VIR time is correct, I'd just like to see it happen.

We would all like to see something. The car is coming out in a month and all we have is pics and a 10 second video clip. Pretty disappointed that there was little to no hype for the 1LE like there was with the ZL1. I know it's not it's own model but I think it deserves more recognition than what it's getting.

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I'm not saying the 1LE won't out run a BOSS 302 or even the LS if the VIR time is correct, I'd just like to see it happen.

this.......

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

We would all like to see something. The car is coming out in a month and all we have is pics and a 10 second video clip. Pretty disappointed that there was little to no hype for the 1LE like there was with the ZL1. I know it's not it's own model but I think it deserves more recognition than what it's getting.

and this............

[LOWDOWN]

THIS time, maybe the mags better do the talkin'...

If the results are "as anticipated", it won't take long to "bang the drum".

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

We would all like to see something. The car is coming out in a month and all we have is pics and a 10 second video clip. Pretty disappointed that there was little to no hype for the 1LE like there was with the ZL1. I know it's not it's own model but I think it deserves more recognition than what it's getting.

These topics are really heating up.


You know it wouldn't take a whole lot to change a 1LE................................ to a Z.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

They can swing the marketing pendulum back to the Camaro with the Z28/LS7. If they wait too long sales will decline and they will give the Mustang control again in the pony car wars.

Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.

I think a good number of individuals will trade up from an SS to a Z28. The name has the strongest identity for the Camaro. Build it and "it" will sell well...very well.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by derklug

As I see it;
Mustang V-6=Camaro V-6..........Who really cares
Mustang GT>CamaroSS..............Lighter and more hp makes the difference
Boss Mustang vs. ??????.............Better get it right with the LT1 or Z/28 or whatever they decide to call it.
GT500>=ZL1.............................Not quite the knock out punch Al and Scott had bragged about.

GM engineers need to quit making excuses for why they fail, and just use their talents to make winning vehicles. Watch CNBC's show on Ford, when the engineers where sat down with CR testers, they wanted to make excuses about why they did things the way they did. Ford's CEO told them to shut up and LISTEN to what was wrong with the cars. Maybe the Camaro team needs to have the same style meeting.

I didn't see the show, although I want to see it. I agree with your hardline, hardball overview. GM has put together a spectacular car, with an outdated underpowered engine in the ZL1. It's visa versa with Ford. A marvelous motor in a less than capabale chasis and supension. Maybe, Chevy can learn something from Ford in the engine building department. Why do we, Chevy enthusiasts, have to pay a surcharge on the ZL1, when Ford does not?. And they have gobs more power?

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.

thanks for the input ms. debbie downer :(

[Cam#7]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Doubt it. I really don't think the demand for a Z28 is as great as what a few people on this site think it will be if it gets produced. Don't get me wrong, I think the introduction of a Z28 into the offerings would be a good thing, I just don't think the demand would as great as it might have been were there not a ZL1 or a 1LE package already offered.

If the Z/28 comes out with a new engine, they'll sell 20,000 in the first year. The biggest market are current Gen5 owners waiting to trade up. The sooner we see the C7 Corvettee engine annoucement the sooner we'll know more about the next Z/28.

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

thanks for the input ms. debbie downer :(

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