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Old 03-28-2013, 03:52 PM   #1
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LS7 1LE

Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
The 1LE is already an extremely capable track car, couldn't the LS7 be dropped in there and made available to us for around 50?

No need going to great lenghts to make the Z-28 a "track" car. No one was thinking ceramic brakes until yesterday because no one was asking for them.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:14 PM   #2
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It's not like the old days I believe like in the 60's when you can choose what engine you want in you're car. For them to come out with the car now with that motor and all those enhancements was for a purpose - to establish dominance in that niche and to set the tone. Ford now has a tall order to come up with something that will match the Z/28.

For them to just put in the 427 in an SS with the available 1LE option was not the direction they wanted to go. And it's not just the Ceramic brakes, it's the other 200 changes they made to make it the Z/28.
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Because GM didn't think that was enough to honor the Z/28 badge.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:42 PM   #4
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Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:46 PM   #5
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GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.
At the price the hard core couldn't touch?
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:49 PM   #6
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I'm not sure what you are getting it. Those that wan't it WILL get it.....
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:54 PM   #7
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I'm not sure what you are getting it. Those that wan't it WILL get it.....
Really? I seriously doubt everyone that wanted a stripped a down LS7 camaro will be getting one. I for one wanted it. I won't be getting it. Not at the price they're probably asking. Ill look for used in a few yrs if they don't limit the number like assholes so only cork sniffers buy them.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:03 PM   #8
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I believe th OP is suggesting that most (myself included) would have jumped at the chance to have a LS7 in a fifth gen. An LS7 in 1LE trim with sticky tires would pull similar skid pad numbers and would likely perform very similar to the Z28 for under 50 grand. Any hard core track junkie might just want to swap out brakes, seats, wheels, etc to take it to the level that they would like.

All said I didn't need a Z28, but would have not thought twice about ordering a 1LE LS7... Period...
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:08 PM   #9
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GM gave the hardcore Z/28 guys EXACTLY what they wanted.
No way a $70,000 Z28 is not what anyone wanted.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:12 PM   #10
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At the price the hard core couldn't touch?
Just because YOU can't afford it doesn't mean that EVERYONE can't afford it. GM will sell every Z28 they can make. Like has been said before, your logic is great for people that only want the Z28 badge and not a car that's the most track capable car GM has ever offered to the public.

The amount of crying you have been doing over this car is insane.
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No way a $70,000 Z28 is not what anyone wanted.
Exactly. That's the only gripe I have about it. Its an amazing car but its in a class by its self. Its more Corvette then Camaro I personally think.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:15 PM   #12
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I think Gm did the right thing , making this car a serious balls out performance vehicle............I personally would swap this over my zl1..........the zl1 is not raunchy enough for me........I like road noise and HARDCOREPERFORMANCE only....zl1 is a bit of a cadillac like performance car .......
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Here is how I look at your question.

An LS7 in a 1LE would maybe be equal to a ZL1...........maybe. The 1LE is 150 pounds lighter (supercharger) and would be 80 HP down from the LSA. How does that car run with a ZL1? What you would have is just another version of the same performance. And simply putting the LS7 in the 1LE would give you a $50,000 car. So it would be the "lesser" of the two cars.

To give the Z28 a reason to be, beyond simply a badge, GM had go above the ZL1 in track performance. And to do that you get the LS7, the best brakes GM knows how to do and enough weight reduction to make up for the 80 hp.

Now in a straight line, a ZL1 might actually run faster than a Z28. We'll have to wait and see. To give the Z28 it's "reason for being" it needs to be lighter so it can turn in the corners better, accelerate out harder. That's the 300 pounds. And no one should assume that that was simply throwing parts out (like we've discussed over the past few years) It took real, honest to goodness engineering and testing and validation and I can assure that is NOT free or cheap. And to give it another advantage you add the best brakes known to passenger cardom. Combined with the LS7 you now have a NA engine with low mass and chassis and brakes to get this car to nearly Z06 levels.

I'll be very curious to see the tests.

Also keep in mind that since the ZL1 already beats the dead Boss and GT500 around the track, there is no real competition for the Z28. It stands alone as what it is, and how it goes about it.

I know everyone would have loved an LS7 in the 1LE. We had a thread on that well over a year ago. It just wouldn't have justified the car or the nameplate relative to the ZL1.
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Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
The 1LE is already an extremely capable track car, couldn't the LS7 be dropped in there and made available to us for around 50?

No need going to great lenghts to make the Z-28 a "track" car. No one was thinking ceramic brakes until yesterday because no one was asking for them.

I think the reason they didn't make an LS7 with the 1LE is because they would not be able to keep up with demand (the LS7 is hand built) Also that would diminish the LS7's value as there would be too many out there. Could be wrong but just my two cents.
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